Remove TP bar off party list - Want this option

[Apocrypher]

Because I'm too lazy to actually read through all the previous posts to make sure this wasn't already mentioned, I'm gonna say that Square Enix made a poor decision as to how to implement the TP bar element.

Rather than relocating the stat bonuses element to the party list window & placing the TP bar under the buffs, they should have instead looked into a way to allow each player to determine whether they see MP or TP bars (as "nin4life", mine would only ever show the TP bar).

[Rongway]

Because we went so long without TP bars, I don't even see them unless I look at the party list with the express purpose of checking someone's TP, so I'm not personally having any problems with it as implemented.

For those who do see them all the time, it might be nice to be able to disable them. However, displaying TP bars should be compulsory for ROG, BRD, MCH, and maybe AST, so that they can't use "didn't see your TP" as an excuse not to contribute their regain abilities.

A "choose between MP or TP" option would work for most jobs, but not for ASTs who might want to check TP before deciding whether to throw away a Spire while already carrying the Expanded buff or to use it. They would need to be able to see both.

[Neela]

As a DPS, I would much rather have the TP bar than the bonus stats bar. The stats bar was functionally useless, whereas seeing TP is very useful to me when I'm playing BRD so I know when I need to use Paeon.

Well yeah i totally love the tp-bar while playing with bard. it's a gift if you are running without any aoe-caster <3
i often run with several NINs from my FC and they never have to ask for songs since this update - it's just great.

[Lemuria]

This is what happens when the devs implement a feature in a way we didn't ask. People wanted to be able to see TP instead of MP for jobs that used it, now we see TP for everyone. TB bars as a whole look awful when you see Mages going between max and 0 every now and then because of Sprint.

No, we really do want both. Tanks use both MP and TP (Yes, even Warrior if they're any good since they'll have Flash), so it's good to know when the tank needs one or the other.

I really don't understand why anyone thinks it's a bad thing to have. It's not in the way, and gracefully slides in underneath the debuffs. Most jobs don't even require you to look at the party menu, so for those it's entirely moot anyway. For the few that do, it's very useful to know where everyone is at.

[Sento-Frost]

It IS in the way, I don't want a cluttered interface, particularly as a healer.
So, I'm not happy with the clutter it adds to the interface, some people don't mind, well just let people chose if they want this or not ? :-)

TP bar is far less critical than MP bar, knowing your heals are OOM is much more important than knowing you can ease a DPS job, compensating for his lack of judgement, or excessive consumption of AOE ^^

Although, yes, it is useful, and it allows smart use of TP regen skills, but some people play roles who don't really bother since they can't do anything: SMN, BLM, SCH, WHM, DRG, MNK, which is half of the classes already. Tank classes don't really care either, although knowing the MT is out of TP can be useful for the OT, even if you can just communicate to tell that....

If you do implement an option, please make a text command to enable / disable so we could just use macro to switch job/outfit + enable / disable the option at the same time :-)

That said, would it also be possible to disable completely MP / TP bars when not in a fight ? We don't need them at all out of battle and it takes space for nothing in this situation. I want to be able to see the scenery while still being able to know who is in my team. But if I'm not fighting, I don't really need to know if they are running, or that they are full MP. Can't bars show up only when in instances (raids, dungeons, trials, ...) ?

[Laraul]

"I don't need to see people's TP when playing a class because it doesn't apply to me" is ridiculous, IMO. When I play Bard, I don't *need* to see peoples HP bar. I'll know when a player is dead because both the TP and MP bars will be empty.. Using this reasoning, I should be able to hide the HP bars as well. I think everyone would agree this would be a bad idea.

[Sento-Frost]

There is no way it is even remotely of the same range !

Knowing when the team is low on HP (and not being able to do anything about it except wake up the healers or people taking damage) is much more important than knowing another DPS is low on TP (and not being able to do anything about it). The HP loss of people is natural, the MP loss of healers too, particularly if there are multiple rez to do, the TP loss to a point a DPS can't play is not natural at all, it's just someone who's burning his TP without care. TP regen skills are here to allow burning more TP but it's not a requirement nor a natural way things are.

It's a great addition, I'm all for it, but if people want to hide bars while not in combat, and to hide TP bars while not in a class who can help with them, well let them ask for it, will you ?
What bothers you all with this request, why do you need to ask not to add an option for it ?

[MentheusDreyar]

We are all fine with the option to hide stuff when not in combat, that's not the issue as it doesn't affect anyone, but it shouldn't be an option when you're in a party and for certain when you're in combat, whether or not you have skills to affect TP. It's simple, basic and essential information you should have about your party members regardless of role/job. Sure you might not be able to influence the TP bar yourself, but knowing this information allows you to adjust to your parties needs, you'll know someone is low/out of TP due to no regen or they screwed up their TP management, and everyone will need to compensate for that, especially if there's a DPS check to meet.

Any reason that's been brought up so far about removing the TP has just been stupid or selfish, there is absolutely NO reason to not ever have this information when playing with other players. It discourages teamwork, is disrespectful to the other players and can easily become a detriment to the party. If we all wiped because you didn't have the information you needed to adapt to the current battle situation, THAT is down right selfish, rude and disrespectful and after asking why you didn't help out if your answer was "i turned my TP bars off, i didn't see" i would ask you to turn it on and KEEP it on, and if you refused or fail to do so i would straight up kick you or leave if its causing wipes and otherwise making the encounter harder and longer than it needs to be.

I may come off as an "elitist" or "rude" or whatever but i do not tolerate purposeful detriments to other players, have it turned off when by yourself , no one cares, but it should be ENFORCED when playing with other players all it's gonna do is cause rage, wipes and other negative situations because people are just being selfish and thinking of themselves rather than the party.

[Mithent]

I would prefer the option to hide the TP bars. It's great that they were implemented, but for someone who mostly plays BLM, it's information I have little to no use for. However, I've mostly gotten used to it now, so it's not a huge deal either way.

[Sento-Frost]

It's so basic and essential stuff we were playing really really fine during 2 years ^^

Live and let die ! If they screw up their TP management they're able to understand it and work it out themselves. People should stop prying and just leave others be. When I'm summoner I don't need to know if other players have low TP or are playing badly, I just play my class the best I can, with the max DPS I can inflict. You don't need TP bars to see if you're ahead or behind in DPS on a DPS check phase.

It's not selfish, it's just not required to play for most people, so let people disable it if they don't want it !
Selfish reasons ? Well, IMHO you're the one being selfish here, do I tell you how you have to play ? No, so don't tell others how they should and that they can't get an option to remove something which was absent for more than 2 years. We played fine until now, and we still will if people disable TP bars. Don't overrate TP regen skills, they're just small bonuses xD

Moreover, you talk about communication, but TP bars remove said communication. If you are so low on TP that you can't play properly, you have time to drop a "OOPT sorry guys". This is (not even more than an ersatz of) communication.
There are only selfish reasons to forbid players to ask an option to hide TP bars.