Quote Originally Posted by Pluvia View Post
Disembowl affects Raid dps
It affects the Dragoon's DPS and at most one Bard or MCH, unless you're stacking BRD/MCH for some reason.

That's not raid DPS. That's a couple peoples' DPS. Regardless, NIN get DE, which affects the tanks that you'll always have plus the NIN. 3 people vs 2. Clearly DE is superior.

Stop trying to downplay dragoons.
I'm not. I'm arguing whether their raid utility is better than NIN. It isn't. They get one AOE crit chance buff that may not make a difference if you either don't crit or would have crit regardless of the buff which may not even affect the entire raid if anyone's out of earshot, and a generic "increases X damage type" debuff that all melee DPS get.

They're have more of a concrete spot in a raid then Ninja
And it's not because of how amazing Battle Litany is.