Still none of the needed changes?

[Kumori_Kumo]

Pedantics

Alright, you explain to me why it's supposed to be random then, if not to intentionally slow the player down? Explain what machination that exact mechanic- the random choosing between one move or another- is supposed to serve other than being an inconvenience.

Edit: Also, I wanna point out, at no point am I saying this part of the class needs to change. It's an obvious design choice to gate lots of DPS behind frustrating and difficult mechanics. I'm just saying that it's foolish not to recognize these things for what they are. You can be satisfied with having conquered something, but that's not the same as having a class where all the mechanics work together rather than against the player. People are going to be disappointed when skill floors drift out of their reach, and though that doesn't necessitate a hard change, it is good to remember when declaring that people are just lazy or whatever.

[Ilyanat]

I honestly don't understand how people are still having trouble with 4th combo abilities. All you have to do is move to the side or rear and if there's an aoe, avoid it if you can but if you can't get that positional it's okay it won't destroy your dps. When the potency for the non positional got buffed from 100 to 200, I giggled because it really wasn't needed. I've had no problems with this class since HW release, and I'm still pretty new to this game. It's a fun class to play, and this is rng based ability is not the hardest part of playing DRG right now.

What worries me most is that people complained about wheeling thrust so Square compromised and buffed the potency. Totally unnecessary in my opinion, but I can't complain about my class getting a little love. I'd say about now DRG and MNK are probably about where they're supposed to be, and judging from how the number of complaints from class to class, I'd say the good dragoons are out having fun rather than complaining about one rng based ability. Seriously, the class requires a little attention to play now, I'd be more worried about juggling botd with geirskogul if I were you because that's where things get complicated.

[spelley]

4th combos are pretty easy to handle with a bit of practice. It makes for a bit of a weird leveling experience but it's pretty meh.

Please don't lump all DRG in with the OP, most of us realize we are super well off (as are basically everyone except possibly BLM QoL change and maybe a tweak to address NIN TP)

[Arienal]

4th combos are pretty easy to handle with a bit of practice.

Nobody said anything about the 4th combo step being hard. 'oh this proc'd? better step 2 feet to the left. now i got the other one? two steps to the right i go'. I highly doubt anyone seriously thinks its hard. But when a big name game developer like SE goes and just copy/pastes one ability onto two buttons, that's just insultingly lazy design. And it's made even worse when there's actually people, though I have yet to find many actually in the game, who actively defend such laziness.

[Ilyanat]

Nah, I realize the majority of drg's are pretty fine right now. It's just the complaints about wheeling thrust are odd. I have more trouble finding ways to keep botd up in an annoying fight, I'd figure people would be complaining about that instead.

[spelley]

Nah, I realize the majority of drg's are pretty fine right now. It's just the complaints about wheeling thrust are odd. I have more trouble finding ways to keep botd up in an annoying fight, I'd figure people would be complaining about that instead.

That's just a "learn the fight" thing for DRGs, much as how MNK has had to know forever how to cheese uptime and BLM has to optimize their movement/positioning. It's basically now what separates a Great DRG from a merely good one.

[Craiger]

DRGs don't deserve to come on here and complain... You're the best DPS in the game right now, and there is no problem with your rotation or whatever.

Remove BoTD because of mechanics that you can't control? Ever heard of Greased Lightning and Enochian?

At least BoTD can be kept/reapplied really easy. If you know the fight (which you should), you can adapt your rotation so that you have plenty of time to reapply BoTD. On top of that, you can save the actual BoTD ability, and use it to regain it when it's safe. Don't come here and complain when you have that...

Don't know what you are trying to say about GK... why do you care that it has 10 sec CD? doesn't really matter, and the potency isn't balanced towards using it every 10 sec. You want them to increase the potency and make DRG even more OP?

Wheeling and Fang isn't the best design in the game, and you could argue that they could have done something better with it, but it's really easy to master, and DRG already got some awesome abilities anyway. No need to come onto the forum and make a rage post about that.

EDIT: I can't stress enough how important it is to know the fights you do... Even if there is some random element to the fight, you have to put in some effort and know when you should hold off on using GK/BoTD, or maybe it's a DPS increase to take the risk of losing it, I don't know, but you need to know the fight.

If you're talking about non-raid content that doesn't matter in that sense.... well... welcome to the club. We MNK's have had to go through that since 2.0.

[Ilyanat]

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I think most dragoons realize our class is pretty damn good right now lol. Like our class is perfect, the people complaining just haven't gotten used to the changes. Ask Dervy or any of the people in the dragoon thread, we mostly just talk about savage accuracy caps, you'll hardly find any complaints listed in there. Ninjas I feel for them, because lag is annoying for me but it isn't as bad a factor for them. Congratulations to all the monks by the way for your new changes, look forward to competing for dps with you guys.

[Misutoraru]

we are very good in DPS view of point
but i wont change
making 2 identical skill as 2 "new" skill a lazy design
we dont need a DPS or buff timer change
but we do need some change to that 2 skills, so they both have their own meaning and usefulness
not just sucking up 2 slots with RNG for pure development laziness

[DestinovaTrueblade]

we are very good in DPS view of point
but i wont change
making 2 identical skill as 2 "new" skill a lazy design
we dont need a DPS or buff timer change
but we do need some change to that 2 skills, so they both have their own meaning and usefulness
not just sucking up 2 slots with RNG for pure development laziness

And just how are they gonna magically change those 2 skills without affecting DRG dps performance?