Still none of the needed changes?

[Duelle]

Just watching through the forums shows im far from the only person to bring these issues up, and the majority, though not all, of counter points boil down to "shut up, good damage" or "stop saying you want easy mode" when neither of these are even the main point.

I'm gonna quote this for emphasis, since similar crap is spewed in the BRD threads about WM.

So give me the option, what would replace WT/FC dynamic?

WT/FC could be turned into 4th step combo finishes split between Chaos Thrust (comboing into Fang & Claw) and Full Thrust (comboing into wheeling thrust). DRG would thus becoming the only job with 4-step combos.

The other issue is that BotD is mechanically trying to mimic a resource bar of sorts (hence why using Geirskogul reduces the buff's duration). Ideally you could change BotD into a resource bar that floats over your TP bar when triggered that fills up as you perform actions, with the biggest gains being from WT and FC. Managing the bar would be dependent on dealing with the bar depleting over time as well as using Geirskogul. Maybe even give a bonus for maxing out the bar by it giving you some bonus (maybe once you cap the BotD bar it increases damage dealt by all actions but causes all actions performed to deplete the BotD bar until it hits 25%).

[whiskeybravo]

The problem you face is for every 1 of "you" there's 1000 dragoons that don't have any problem with it. The traffic on the forums is astronomically smaller than the entire player base, so just because there are a handful of complaint threads doesn't mean everyone has a problem with or share the same concerns.

All we see is complaint after complaint, never any constructive suggestions. So give me the option, what would replace WT/FC dynamic? What would be so great about this proposal, for us dragoons that don't really have any problem with the current dynamic, that we'd be willing to switch sides and show you support?

[Arienal]

Funny, because the majority of drg's i meet on my own server share these frustrations, while the supporters are the minority.

I already made several proposed changes, yet every time i do put those suggestions up they are always answered with shut up! damage or X job has it worse

To restate a few suggestions i made, drop the timer on botd and add a stacking buff similar to wrath, and have GK based on THAT. this way it still keeps GK a bit limited but without downright killing the buff and crippling the player when things DO go south.

Change the copy/paste build of FnC/WT and make them their own skills. instead of a random proc, change them to follow FT/CT respectively as combo bonuses. with one building the stacks for GK and the other having its own effect, such as reduced tp on next ability to account for ever increasing SS, or something similar to give it its own purpose. This way they each have their own purpose, and dont just get macro'd onto the same button on the hotbar.

[Garotte14]

Guess what, they're popping up because people are sick of these design flaws. Just watching through the forums shows im far from the only person to bring these issues up, and the majority, though not all, of counter points boil down to "shut up, good damage" or "stop saying you want easy mode" when neither of these are even the main point.

That is statistically untrue. People use comment sections, forums, suggestion boxes, etc. to complain. People don't normally use those tools to talk about how great something is. If someone is happy, they're more likely going to keep on playing and never say a word. So yeah, you are going to see most Drg threads on these forums about ppl upset or complaining. But that's probably less than 10% of the population that plays that class. Guess what, the other 90% or are content and happy with what they have.

[Sigmakan]

Not sure how theres a design flaw. BotD is a resource that you need to manage, just like many other systems in this game. The Dark Arts system is like this as well. Yeah the cooldown is only 5seconds, but if you use it every time off of cooldown then you'll quickly run out of MP, which results in lower damage and locking you out of some abilities.

These new systems encourage you to be strategic in how you consume and renew these resources. THATs where the challenge lies. If you want to completely get rid of these systems then you are just asking for simple/easy mode.

[Arienal]

These new systems encourage you to be strategic in how you consume and renew these resources. THATs where the challenge lies. If you want to completely get rid of these systems then you are just asking for simple/easy mode.

Strategic planning is all well and good, but when the majority of content coming out in this game is little more than a series of damage checks where you outright fail if you dont hit X damage in a certain amount of time..doesnt really add up.

And for the love of all thats holy..ive said it three times now...but apparently its being ignored..im NOT looking for 'easy mode', how many times do i have to say it? or are you guys just using old answers from other conversations.

[T0rin]

And for the love of all thats holy..ive said it three times now...but apparently its being ignored..im NOT looking for 'easy mode', how many times do i have to say it? or are you guys just using old answers from other conversations.

Here's your main issue: You're calling for changes on how a class plays because you find that you cannot deal with the interruptions to your DPS that come in current raiding content. Many end game raiders know multiple DRGs who are doing top tier DPS, even with all the same interruptions that you are dealing with. So, in essence, you are asking for changes to accommodate your style of playing the class that is resulting in sub-optimal performance, or performance that you feel is in need of improvement, though not as a result of your personal contribution. This is essentially asking for the class to be easier to play, hence the reactions.

The reality is, the class is 100% just fine. A day ago, it was probably #1 DPS, and given the contribution of Littany and Disembowel, even if they are not #1 from a pure DPS perspective, they probably still are from a raid contribution perspective. Just because you have issues, does not mean the class has issues.

[Arienal]

The reality is, the class is 100% just fine. A day ago, it was probably #1 DPS

I feel like im talking with a broken record player. The big counter point im seeing from people here revolves around where it sits on the damage charts. Granted, a few people have brought up their own views on botd and how they're fine with it, great, ok. yet even after i was asked for proposed solutions, and provided them earlier, still not discussed. The other issues i mentioned? Same story.

Some people are fine with the changes? More power to em. but im growing tired of being met with 'you want easy mode' on this thread which IS NOT THE CASE. Clearly im wasting my time talking to people who just parrot the same stuff. 'easy mode' 'top damage' are the majority of what im seeing today so I take my leave.

See you all in another few patches if things still arent resolved.

[SilverEphraim]

Some people are fine with the changes? More power to em. but im growing tired of being met with 'you want easy mode' on this thread which IS NOT THE CASE. Clearly im wasting my time talking to people who just parrot the same stuff. 'easy mode' 'top damage' are the majority of what im seeing today so I take my leave.

See, but here's why everyone keeps saying that you want an easy mode. Your proposed changes would make everything even easier to upkeep than it already it. Does Blood of the Dragon fall off due to mechanics? Absolutely. But I have not once, outside of server lag, which only happens occasionally, had Blood of the Dragon drop due to something that wasn't a mistake of mine. A stun early on in the fight? Okay, I should have held BotD a little longer before using it. Minotaur in Fractal uses Disorienting Groan, or tornadoes in Neverreap? I should have held my Geirskogul and not used it the moment I had enough time to pop it safely. Oppressors jumping and I just refreshed BotD? I should have known they were going to jump, and reserved my use of the cooldown.

The exception to all these? When you're learning the fight. Because then you don't know what's going to happen. But that's true of Black Mage as well, which got an equally, if not more strict, timer they have to deal with unless they want an even larger DPS loss than we get if we lose BotD.

Would I like to see a different effect for Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw? Maybe. Honestly, I enjoy it how it is, because it forces me to pay attention at least a little bit instead of going into complete braindead farm mode, because of the RNG, and while keeping the RNG, if they had different effects, that would be kind of ridiculous.

BotD is a strict buff to upkeep at times, yes. If we miss one GCD at the wrong time, we could very well lose the buff. But outside of when we're learning the fight, it's entirely our own fault. And if you want to have absolutely no downtime at all, even while learning the fight, I'm sorry, but I think you're playing the wrong genre.

[Sigmakan]

Strategic planning is all well and good, but when the majority of content coming out in this game is little more than a series of damage checks where you outright fail if you dont hit X damage in a certain amount of time..doesnt really add up.

And for the love of all thats holy..ive said it three times now...but apparently its being ignored..im NOT looking for 'easy mode', how many times do i have to say it? or are you guys just using old answers from other conversations.

The challenge lies with maximizing DPS while maintaining this resource. Asking to remove the resource is asking for easy mode. Sorry