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  1. #91
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    Odett Telos
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    Quote Originally Posted by IveraIvalice View Post
    And I use them too. It's better for me to buff and eat 3 orbs to take all that damage then to have the dps stop attacking to spread the damage amongst everyone. I prioritize being a tank over being a dps because with me taking more hits away from them they can dps more.
    you can take 3 orbs without grit, tank the dolls in quarantine without it and take the tethers without it. you're wasting dps. Shadowskin, Shadow Wall, DA'd Dark Mind. Call it a day. If you want to feel safer, stance dance for the orbs. You should have absolutely no MP issues with access to Blood Weapon.
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    Last edited by Odett; 08-26-2015 at 04:48 AM.

  2. #92
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    Is it that hard to just switch to grit when your going to go take the orbs? I do that on WAR all the time. It's not hard, and you don't lose anything. Then switch back when your done with orbs.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odett View Post
    you can take 3 orbs without grit, tank the dolls in quarantine without it and take the tethers without it. you're wasting dps. Shadowskin, Shadow Wall, DA'd Dark Mind. Call it a day. If you want to feel safer, stance dance for the orbs. You should have absolutely no MP issues with access to Blood Weapon.

    Well guess what Odett DRK is a tank first and dps 2nd like every other tank role its not our job to be pushing more dps than what a dps dose. It also taking less damage means healers need to heal less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drako View Post
    Is it that hard to just switch to grit when your going to go take the orbs? I do that on WAR all the time. It's not hard, and you don't lose anything. Then switch back when your done with orbs.

    Its not that it's hard what it is is inconvenient because we need to keep Darkside up at all times and puting Grit up costs about almost 2k in mp this is more than PLD and DRK need mp for Darkside so even if we fill back up with mp with blood weapon we still need to use a chunk of it to put Grit up.

    And comparing this to WAR is just wrong WAR is the only tank that has its tank and dps stance ogcd so they don't need to worry about not having gcd bk up to use them. Not to mention they don't need to use mp to put them up. And not to mention their stack bonuses are transferable between the 2.
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    Last edited by Dererk; 08-26-2015 at 04:58 AM.

  4. #94
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    Valentyne Laska
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    The buffs to monk are quality of life changes for the most part. The timing requirements during some of the boss fights were a bit tight, so if you didn't know to start pumping meditation right away during a phase transition in Ravana EX you were unlikely to finish before the boss was targetable again even if you remembered mid transition. Tornado kick's timer was probably brought down so they can use it more consistently just before boss transitions. Greased lightning's damage boost isn't really that significant and is there to fine tune it against other melee DD. Greased lightning falls off too quick during some fights, so they boosted the duration for two seconds. Again, more a quality of life change to prevent them from being crippled during particular bosses.
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    Last edited by Fendred; 08-26-2015 at 05:11 AM.

  5. #95
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    Odett Telos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dererk View Post
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    You can turn on Grit and turn it off after orbs. Refusing to do so because it's "inconvenient" is just lazyness on your part. MP management is part of your job as DRK; learn how to do it.

    It's certainly not your job to pull more DPS than other DPS players, but in instances where you are not taking direct single damage, it's a total waste to have your tank stance up, because guess what? Your healer will AoE heal forced party-wide raid damage and the necessary healing done to top off DPS will render your tank stance useless. Also, for the dolls, I've found that it's a lot easier to kill them quickly than to prolong your time in quarantine. Sometimes, damage is its own form of mitigation.
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  6. #96
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    The cost to activate grit is an mp issue not a laziness issue. And it's on gcd. The issue is not wether you can take the same amount of orbs out off grit because that's dependent on your gear and hardly your skills. I woul rather stop a lot of damage from reaching any dps so they never have to stop and have a healer heal most just me then to have everyone stop dps and take all damage so that I can do a bit more damage out of grit. Either way this is turning into a getgud argument rather then talking about the job itself
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by IveraIvalice View Post
    The cost to activate grit is an mp issue not a laziness issue. And it's on gcd. The issue is not wether you can take the same amount of orbs out off grit because that's dependent on your gear and hardly your skills. I woul rather stop a lot of damage from reaching any dps so they never have to stop and have a healer heal most just me then to have everyone stop dps and take all damage so that I can do a bit more damage out of grit. Either way this is turning into a getgud argument rather then talking about the job itself
    not really, you can turn on Grit for orbs and turn it off when you're done soaking. I really don't see how that is hard at all, and I main DRK btw. If you lack the MP to activate Grit, then that's an MP management error on your side. You guys are making this so much harder than it needs to be.
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  8. #98
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    Delnoir Vermillion
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45 View Post
    Now you can stop asking me to Goad you.
    I can see your TP % now. I know when to Goad you!

    - Ninja's everywhere.
    And on the flip side, "Hey you can see my TP! Now 'I didn't see your call' isn't a valid excuse anymore!"

    -Pld and Drk everywhere.
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  9. #99
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    Anarista Tarnyang
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    Idk if it's just me but now Darkside ticks my MP regardless if Im in combat or not. Which is dumb cuz now it's fighting with the MP regen. Idk if the MP drain is harsher during combat but I need to further test that.
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  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odett View Post
    not really, you can turn on Grit for orbs and turn it off when you're done soaking. I really don't see how that is hard at all, and I main DRK btw. If you lack the MP to activate Grit, then that's an MP management error on your side. You guys are making this so much harder than it needs to be.
    I don't know what more to say, it's not that you can't activate grit or have enough mp to do so but it's difficult and you spend all the time trying to store mp up just to switch. All you have at that point is to spam syphon strike and blood weapon to get enough mp to stand dance and when you do switch that drains like all the mp you built up. Oh and carve and spit but you would want to buff that for damage anyway which is even more difficult to use a DA with that and drain even more mp. I also main drk

    @FallenArisen0990
    Dark side always drains mp in and out of combat, you just regain less mp out of combat from natural recovery because it's still being taken from dark side. It's still a gain in mp just less then if you had dark side off
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    Last edited by IveraIvalice; 08-26-2015 at 06:44 AM.

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