What does everyone think about those AST buffs?

[Cupcakesu]

I think Synastry healing the extra 40% on your connected target is a bug, considering the description notes "Each time you cast a healing spell on a party member not under the effect of Synastry".

[Khyan]

AST shield with hive weapon and no eso stuffs (ilvl 183) = 1825 + 30% = ~2372
SCH simple adlo shield with hive weapon and a few eso stuffs (ilvl 186) = ~2145

SCH can do better with Eos 20% heal potency buff (but you don't use Eos all the time and the cooldown is high)
AST can do better shield with synastry, same heal potency buff with 90 cd.

AST shield is definitely better without crit. And you don't really crit often anyway.

[technole]

What tactic cooldowns? Dissi buff does not influence Indomitability or Lustrate. Do you mean Emergency Tactics - so a situational setup for a situational cd? Lol ok.

Tactical cooldowns = Deployment or Emergency. One of which should be up if you need the potency boost. Use with Succor if you need the AoE. Fairy change isn't the only reason, maybe you don't want to change either.

I honestly think some SCHs fear for their lives without a fairy at any second or don't find the full value of their toolkit in end-game raiding and strategic use of the skill separates those SCHs from those who don't just dismiss the skill as useless. The reality is given the situation when your WHM is low on MP and maybe the SCH as well, the skill can pretty much put the SCH into a main healer role to immediately cover with plenty of potency and MP and even go back into DPS without any concern as the WHM recovers.

[AlphaSonic]

I think Synastry healing the extra 40% on your connected target is a bug, considering the description notes "Each time you cast a healing spell on a party member not under the effect of Synastry".

It doesn't work on me. I tried to heal the person I synastried and it was only healed by that 20% extra that gives synastry.

[Eudyptes]

Look...math is math. No two ways around it. If it is bugged, that is another matter entirely.

I'm not really sure what you're even trying to say anymore. I was taking my average A.Bene's, then adding a 130% shield to it. Which was giving me a number that was (slightly) less than sch's.

[TraeSnow]

Does Astro follow the same double crit value that SCH has for Adlo?
I don't really know since I've never met an AST that actually uses Nocturnal Sect.

[Eudyptes]

Any DET on either weapon? Same ilvl doesn't actually mean same secondaries.

With that being said the 12 MND less but doing more healing kinda proves a point at this juncture. I'll probably end up messing around with this tonight just to get something more concrete.

Det, and everything else for that matter, are identical on my character attributes. Though for the record, the two weapons give the same secondaries anyway.

Edit: If I were to guess, I would say noct stance's 5% bonus isn't triggering for A.Bene. That or I got unfavorable rng and only pulled from the low end of my healing range on ast, while highs on my sch. Which is possible.

[SerosJourney]

Whuut????

It just sounds like we're over all OP!!!!
Are we????

I don't think so......

[Ghishlain]

AST shield with hive weapon and no eso stuffs (ilvl 183) = 1825 + 30% = ~2372
SCH simple adlo shield with hive weapon and a few eso stuffs (ilvl 186) = ~2145

I'd recommend putting the same on your SCH that you have with AST as that'll make the ilvls the same. Always test like for like if you want to prove something or the test is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Also I would recommend you state any MND difference between the two jobs as Eudyptes has stated a 12 MND difference in her test and it would probably be prudent for you to do the same.

I'm not trying to take sides in this, just trying to find truth and would appreciate any assistance as I can't actually play the game at this time.

Det, and everything else for that matter, are identical on my character attributes. Though for the record, the two weapons give the same secondaries anyway.

Edit: If I were to guess, I would say noct stance's 5% bonus isn't triggering for A.Bene.

This makes sense to me in some capacity. It's a shame we can't equalize the two MND values between the two jobs for a completely true test. Well, unless you want to buy a Hymm and lower your MND on AST by 12 just for the duration of the test. That can pretty much settle the debate once and for all.

What value do you have for Adlo with your test?

[Lastelli]

I'm testing them in game with the exact same gear, and adding 130% to my A.Bene's is about 100 healing~ less than doubling Adlo. If I'm doing my math wrong, then I'm wrong. But it seems to me that A.Bene is still weaker.

They're so close that the difference may be because of determination stat/luck. But maths don't lie, AB has slightly higher potency (603.75 vs 600). Of course, Adlo is still better because of crit bonus (this will become more evident as higher lvl gear is added) and deployment tactics. AB also is more MP efficient, but on a job that struggles with MP because it only has one healing skill with no MP cost (Dignity) vs a job with very good MP management and a lot of mp free healing skills, so bringing up MP efficiency in this case is not very insightful.