Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Issac]

Greetings,

Sorry it's taken so long for us to discuss, but as I'm sure you're aware we have to wait for concrete information before we post. Foxclon and Yoshida have both posted as a response to the discussions being held here, and other region forums.

Thanks Bayohne, and I deeply apologize if any of my personal comments were a bit too sharp. =[

[Raikki]

We expected the extent of power leveling to become evident with the removal of the claim system, but we didn’t foresee the extent to which low level players can sit AFK, while in the same party with a much higher level character fighting monsters, without the level differences between the players being applied to the incoming EXP.

So this translation makes it pretty clear that they're only fixing the most abusive part of PL'ing, which is the AFK leveling and level 50s claiming for you. I 100% agree with nerfing that part of it. If someone is going to get powerleveled at least have them present and make them claim the mob themselves before they can get good XP from it. It'll still be very fast but I think we'll see a huge decrease from the eyepopping XP/hr numbers people have posted.

[Zenaku]

Greetings,

Sorry it's taken so long for us to discuss, but as I'm sure you're aware we have to wait for concrete information before we post. Foxclon and Yoshida have both posted as a response to the discussions being held here, and other region forums.

I guess this is a Start i hope the Person being powerlevel have to do something now. Sadly you can't allow powerlevel like this maybe make powerlevel like in FFXI where the person heal you.

Sadly yoshi-p matter what you do in 1.19A people would still do powerlevel over partying so i hope you do something that would make partying better then being PL or many players would quit. You said that person should take 2-3month to level by me and my friend party and got 1-40 within 1week. So i hope you fix both party and pl exp but still make it so Party exp is better then being powerlevel by a high level player.

At the end you should still take off powerlevel because ppl still would find the easy way out and you should not allow this. People should work for there own level and not ask someone else to do it for them sorry but your idea is still wrong but whatever it still a start i hope later patch would fix this issue more.

2-3month of you doing work yourself is noting like FFXI so i don't see why people want to get powerlevel. Anyways that just my view how a game should play i like at least it going to be fix for ppl being afk and i take that over anything thank you once again dev team great job.

[Issac]

So this translation makes it pretty clear that they're only fixing the most abusive part of PL'ing, which is the AFK leveling and level 50s claiming for you. I 100% agree with nerfing that part of it. If someone is going to get powerleveled at least have them present and make them claim the mob themselves before they can get good XP from it. It'll still be very fast but I think we'll see a huge decrease from the eyepopping XP/hr numbers people have posted.

You feel the need to repeat yourself? I'm sorry, no. Both will be addressed.

[Travesty]

So this translation makes it pretty clear that they're only fixing the most abusive part of PL'ing, which is the AFK leveling and level 50s claiming for you. I 100% agree with nerfing that part of it. If someone is going to get powerleveled at least have them present and make them claim the mob themselves before they can get good XP from it. It'll still be very fast but I think we'll see a huge decrease from the eyepopping XP/hr numbers people have posted.

Actually, I really don't think it will be that fast, even if they just fix that one part. I'm pretty sure it will be slower than a regular party. If the low level player is the one who has to get first claim/aggro, because of the nature of ranged attacks in this game, they're gonna be in significant danger immediately if fighting multiple mobs. It'll be difficult to PL with groups of enemies after they change that.

[Denmo]

Yay! Now we can lock all the unnecessary threads~

[Issac]

Actually, I really don't think it will be that fast, even if they just fix that one part. I'm pretty sure it will be slower than a regular party. If the low level player is the one who has to get first claim/aggro, because of the nature of ranged attacks in this game, they're gonna be in significant danger immediately if fighting multiple mobs. It'll be difficult to PL with groups of enemies after they change that.

I didn't think of that at all, thanks. =]
But still, there's stoneskin to take the initial brunt if they really wanted to cheat that badly.

If they take away the chain/link bonus when someone helps you outside your party, I would be able to settle with that.

[Raikki]

I didn't think of that at all, thanks. =]
But still, there's stoneskin to take the initial brunt if they really wanted to cheat that badly.

If they take away the chain/link bonus when someone helps you outside your party, I would be able to settle with that.

There's a lot more involved if the PL'er and PL'ee have to be in separate parties. In link situations the PL'ee is going to need to perform actions to claim every single one of the mobs before they can be AOE'd down. Since the PL'er has to wait to kill, they'll need to get hate to prevent the group from beating up the PL'ee. All in all I think it'll be a substantial slowdown and increase in work, which is fair. Just how much the XP/hr goes down I don't think we'll see unless someone is bored enough to try it like this before it's fixed to require it.

[Denmo]

Just how much the XP/hr goes down I don't think we'll see unless someone is bored enough to try it like this before it's fixed to require it.

The exp rate even outside of PLing as a whole is messed up, which Yoshi said compounded the problem. I think after the patch 1.19a we can safely expect the rates for ranks 20+ to feel slower.

Notice how he didn't mention anything about a server rollback? All you guys who jumped on it will likely get to keep your precious levels.

[Smashington]

Even if outside-the-party PL can kill the mobs, at least the Lower Level player will have to work at it.

Anyway, guess the dabate has passed for now. It's all speculation until we see the actual changes in action. Even the patch notes will probably not be enough to know how the revisions really play out in-game.

Glad to see that it's being balanced at any rate.