Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Betelgeuzah]

That's not a MMORPG to me. Let me bold, to me. Is this really the new generation of MMORPGs?

Yes. Demanding Dedication is seen as a negative aspect (using terms with negative ring to them like "grind" when talking about this subject). Demanding Skill has become the be-all, end-all goal to strive towards in the modern MMO scene (using terms with positive ring to them like "challenge").

That said, to create contents that require Skill the developers are faced with the problem of balance vs. freedom. More variables means less balance and more freedom, which in turn means less developers have less control over all the variables, which in turn means developers have a much harder time to create balanced contents that require Skill.

The most significant variable developers have no control over in this context is the variable of individual player competency. Leveling up is the core progression system in any MMORPG and, since developers have no way of dividing the playerbase according to their competency level (no control over the variable), the content needs to be created with the lowest common denominator in mind.

That said, in this scenario only the lowest common denominator may require Skill to level. For the rest of the playerbase the content requires no Skill, and logically there is only one way to make the content worth the while for these people; requiring Dedication instead.

But Dedication these days is a taboo word, since the trend is to try to get rid of any and all kind of activities requiring it, in favor of having all activities to require Skill instead. That said, when it comes to leveling in an MMORPG, which takes no Skill, that developers still try to remove all the Dedication required anyway. Because it's "bad".

What we are left with is an activity that requires no Skill and less and less Dedication. In the end there is no reason to keep the activity in the game anymore. May as well start from level 50.

[Vahzl]

You said your view i understand them but it seem you don't understand how this break the game for the big % of players.

And there is the point, this isn't upsetting a big % of the players, as the majority vote so far on all these threads is that people like it.

You and a few other little yappy dogs are the only ones so far opposed to it, as you seem to be in the mindset that this doesn't exist in all other MMo's, and is so ridiculously overpowered that people have some kind of advantage over you.

All I am seeing is that you don't have access to this system (through being unpopular ingame, having a poor LS, or just being generally hermitted) and for this reason, you are lashing out at those that are not like you.

[Issac]

And there is the point, this isn't upsetting a big % of the players, as the majority vote so far on all these threads is that people like it.

You and a few other little yappy dogs are the only ones so far opposed to it, as you seem to be in the mindset that this doesn't exist in all other MMo's, and is so ridiculously overpowered that people have some kind of advantage over you.

All I am seeing is that you don't have access to this system (through being unpopular ingame, having a poor LS, or just being generally hermitted) and for this reason, you are lashing out at those that are not like you.

I've said this once before in this thread;
So bold to assume.

[Issac]

Yes. Demanding Dedication is seen as a negative aspect (using terms with negative ring to them like "grind" when talking about this subject). Demanding Skill has become the be-all, end-all goal to strive towards in the modern MMO scene (using terms with positive ring to them like "challenge").

Cap, you should login. We'll grind together in a light party and enjoy the game together. Hopefully we can fool ourselves into ignorance and ignore the fact that plvlers are everywhere elbowing in on the mob spawn.

But no, I'm serious, log on. We need more players like you.

[Vahzl]

I've said this once before in this thread;
So bold to assume.

The argument was over pages ago, this is all irrelevant. People like it, you don't, that's pretty much it.

Also the "I have no camp options" argument is ridiculous, there are literally thousands of camps out there, and I never see people in them. What I do see is people whining about how the single popular camp is taken, and they don't want to, oh I don't know, nip on over to the Black Shroud and pick one of the (counted yesterday while I passed) more than 50 locations that would accomodate either a party or a power level group.

Stop being lazy.

[Issac]

The argument was over pages ago, this is all irrelevant. People like it, you don't, that's pretty much it.

So far the interest on both sides has been an even match. You, nor I, speak for everyone.

Also the "I have no camp options" argument is ridiculous, there are literally thousands of camps out there, and I never see people in them. What I do see is people whining about how the single popular camp is taken, and they don't want to, oh I don't know, nip on over to the Black Shroud and pick one of the (counted yesterday while I passed) more than 50 locations that would accomodate either a party or a power level group.

Stop being lazy.

Again, so bold to assume.
Right after 1.19 came out, my friends and I were looking for new camps because of the new difficulty curve and experience system. It was a lot of fun and made the game feel new again.

However, that does not change the fact, in my opinion, that powerleveling is broken.

[Zenaku]

And there is the point, this isn't upsetting a big % of the players, as the majority vote so far on all these threads is that people like it.

You and a few other little yappy dogs are the only ones so far opposed to it, as you seem to be in the mindset that this doesn't exist in all other MMo's, and is so ridiculously overpowered that people have some kind of advantage over you.

All I am seeing is that you don't have access to this system (through being unpopular ingame, having a poor LS, or just being generally hermitted) and for this reason, you are lashing out at those that are not like you.

Sorry? what are you trying to say? you do understand that dungeon are 8man party right? Poor ls? i don't join any linkshell i just pick up people and level up with them and help others with dungeons and NM so i'm sorry there really no need for a big endgame linkshell when all you need is max of 8 people that 7 other spot easy fill in by friends i been in 1year time / FFXI.

Btw you do understand that i have friends that are 50 CONJ/THM right? which can easy powerlevel me? but why should i use a broken system i'm trying to fight off? i been partying the right way getting party at party camps then find a powerlevel coming taking our spot. So please don't jump and say you know a person when you really don't at all.

[Amaya]

And there is the point, this isn't upsetting a big % of the players, as the majority vote so far on all these threads is that people like it.

You and a few other little yappy dogs are the only ones so far opposed to it, as you seem to be in the mindset that this doesn't exist in all other MMo's, and is so ridiculously overpowered that people have some kind of advantage over you.

All I am seeing is that you don't have access to this system (through being unpopular ingame, having a poor LS, or just being generally hermitted) and for this reason, you are lashing out at those that are not like you.

Your assumptions are nothing but assumptions if your defense is he hates it because he doesnt have anyone to help him is nothing but like i said assumptions.

[Vahzl]

Sorry? what are you trying to say? you do understand that dungeon are 8man party right? Poor ls? i don't join any linkshell i just pick up people and level up with them and help others with dungeons and NM so i'm sorry there really no need for a big endgame linkshell when all you need is max of 8 people that 7 other spot easy fill in by friends i been in 1year time / FFXI.

Btw you do understand that i have friends that are 50 CONJ/THM right? which can easy powerlevel me? but why should i use a broken system i'm trying to fight off? i been partying the right way getting party at party camps then find a powerlevel coming taking our spot. So please don't jump and say you know a person when you really don't at all.

Seems like I hit the nail on the head.

[Zenaku]

Seems like I hit the nail on the head.

Nail on the head? what are you saying? Once again I have my own Endgame linkshell that i made and fill with friends i been having in this game for a long time. I been helping others level by doing party with them on my low level class and doing the 25 man dungeon. Reason i don't join linkshell who doing the 45 dungeon is due to the fact i dislike there rules and point system and most of them is all about them and not the other. You think you hit a nail on the head? really need to get over yourself.