Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[NoctisUmbra]

Leveling, and perhaps that rank 50 content can act like a goal for people to reach for. I agree there is little content prior to 50 but powerleveling isn't the answer.

It is an answer. There is choice in the matter. People who want to xp party can xp party. I've done maybe 2 PL parties. Maybe 3. Done tons of xp parties since 1.19 hit though. Was in one just last night. I understand the existence of PL dilutes the presence of xp parties, at lower ranks more so, but it is not as severe as some people make it out to be.

If SE is that adamant about only designing rank 50 content why not just let people be rank 50? I don't get the point of the leveling system if it's going to be 100% pointless until at least 2.0 and perhaps even beyond that.

You just counted leveling as being content. Removing that is removing content from a content-hungry game. Fact is some people enjoy taking their time through their levels. Some find they learn their classes better that way. This isn't true for everyone though.

The key point is choice.

The "Grind" has a purpose of killing time, and keeping players in the game for a longer period of time. If SE wants to run around this all the power to them, I'm just saying don't expect alot of those people who rushed to 50 to bother sticking around when they finished all of the 2 (3 in the future) things they can do as Level 50 characters.

Again it's down to choice. The grind has the purpose of killing time? It's fluff. Some people like the fluff, some don't care for it. With each 50 you gain, you care less and less about taking your time on the next one. Contrary to your argument, there are people who won't stick around if more than half the content is at level 50 and there's little to do but grind and grind and grind until you get to 50.

People who wanna level can level. People who want to play mainly for content at 50 can ask to be PL'ed.

Again, to each his own.

[Jynx]

I guess I just don't think people should be able to "Choose" to skip a large part of the game. Might as well give people a choice to have all the weapons and armour at their fingertips before actually doing anything as well.

You know..."To each his own"

[NoctisUmbra]

I guess I just don't think people should be able to "Choose" to skip a large part of the game. Might as well give people a choice to have all the weapons and armour at their fingertips before actually doing anything as well.

You know..."To each his own"

The problem is that it isn't a large part of the game. It's a lot of numerical fluff. If it was a large part of the game, skipping through it perhaps could be considered more problematic.

[Jynx]

The problem is that it isn't a large part of the game. It's a lot of numerical fluff. If it was a large part of the game, skipping through it perhaps could be considered more problematic.

Gear is numerical fluff as well, people kill ifirit with nothing but santa suits on. Arguably the most important peice of gear is really only your weapon. People can "Skip through" gear for the most part and have very few issues as well.

SE has made leveling a almost non-consequential part of the game and I am puzzled as to why it even exists if it has no over-arching purpose. Hell the people who enjoy grinding can still grind at 50 (Materia grinding) so keeping leveling in the game is pointless.

At a instant rank 50 cap grinders could still grind, and people who hate grinding can just...I don't know stand around town doing nothing.

[NoctisUmbra]

Gear is numerical fluff as well, people kill ifirit with nothing but santa suits on. Arguably the most important peice of gear is really only your weapon. People can "Skip through" gear for the most part and have very few issues as well.

SE has made leveling a almost non-consequential part of the game and I am puzzled as to why it even exists if it has no over-arching purpose. Hell the people who enjoy grinding can still grind at 50 (Materia grinding) so keeping leveling in the game is pointless.

At a instant rank 50 cap grinders could still grind, and people who hate grinding can just...I don't know stand around town doing nothing.

You do understand that the potency of PL is a measure to keep players entertained at higher levels due to their inability to prioritize lower-mid level content in this temporary game which they are going to scrap in favor of 2.0 in 1 year's time, right?

Gear is numerical fluff? If you're going to argue semantics then guess what - much more people enjoy doing content with gear rewards than they do repeatedly killing mobs just for level gains. My numerical fluff is better than yours.

At the end of the day the PL isn't even that severe as to allow auto 50 immediately for no work. Even if you take the expedited PL path to 50, it still requires work in almost all scenarios. To get a class from 1-50 without doing any work will require you to have at least one very altruistic friend. Someone, somewhere is doing work for it to happen.

[Jynx]

Even if you take the expedited PL path to 50, it still requires work in almost all scenarios.

So going AFK is work?

Or are you saying that becasue someone else is doing the work for me that it's somehow ok. Again leveling is pointless as it stands and if SE is going to reinforce this in the future I don't know what the point of a leveling system is in the end.

If SE came out and told us that things would be balanced later on I wouldn't have any issues with the current PL situation, but without any word on that I just find it hard to imagine what is going to happen if they allow it to become the "Norm" to go from 1 to cap in less than a day.

[DoctorMog]

Took a LS mate from 45-46 in less than 10 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/user/smiley7890?feature=mhee

40-50 only takes 2 hours if you beast it hardcore.

Thanks SE.

Classes to 50: 1
Sense of accomplishment: 0

[AmyRae]

Took a LS mate from 45-46 in less than 10 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/user/smiley7890?feature=mhee

40-50 only takes 2 hours if you beast it hardcore.

Thanks SE.

Classes to 50: 1
Sense of accomplishment: 0

Like hardcore players consider level 50 an accomplishment

[NoctisUmbra]

So going AFK is work?

Or are you saying that becasue someone else is doing the work for me that it's somehow ok. Again leveling is pointless as it stands and if SE is going to reinforce this in the future I don't know what the point of a leveling system is in the end.

If SE came out and told us that things would be balanced later on I wouldn't have any issues with the current PL situation, but without any word on that I just find it hard to imagine what is going to happen if they allow it to become the "Norm" to go from 1 to cap in less than a day.

Not expecting lots of things to change with 2.0 is silly.

Also Yoshi explicitly stated he believes PL is fine to an extent since the high level player is taking the time do it for the lower leveled ones. He is just against the lower level players being able to go completely afk in the process - which was worked on. i understand people found a workaround through invites, and thus if they deem it to be bad enough they will address that. I don't see PL being removed after Yoshi's statements though. Lots of people clearly do not want to see it go either. The argument is moot.

[DeadRiser]

I honestly don't see the point of PL. After 2.0, you will have all your battle classes to 50 already. What's the point of staying either way? Then you will have a HUGE gap between new and old people. It's not even necessary since it effects everyone else in the game. I'm sick of having to defend or take over a PL camp just so my party (how the game is supposed to be played ) can grind.

And btw, I don't think they meant for PL to mean get in party, take hate, then leave and still have hate. That is a broken system. If PL still exists in 2.0, I will be very dissapointed.

I love low level content. You don't have everything to use at your disposal and it's that sense of prorgression that is so much fun. When you finally reach level 25 and can do Toto and finally equip that new piece of gear. Actually buy low leveled gear in the wards. You know, a balanced game.