Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Sun-Runner]

So wait, wait. Are you saying that a person being powerleveled has the same right to mobs as a legitimate party? If you're going to skip content like that at least have the common courtesy to allow others who actually want to play to experience it.

Both are players, both have the same privileges.

Not only in favor of a broken mechanic, but also in favor of shafting others who don't want to take advantage of a broken mechanic?

I'm in favor of the mechanic being available (and apparently so is the lead developer). As for "shafting others"? Heh. Both sets are players. Neither set is paying anything at the moment, but once they start charging both will be paying the same fee. I fail to see why one set should have priority over the other.

[Rinsui]

The point is just: Of those groups, only 1 was playing the game, while the others were afk.
Read. Think. Judge.
Not the other way round.
And before you say: "Oh, but those were real accounts playing!" - Gilsellers have real accounts, too.
Read. Think. Judge.
Just because you profit from a design flaw doesn't mean it's good design.

[Issac]

Yes I actually do think that if someone was there before you, you should go out into the myriad of other locations and find your own place.

You both don't pay the same amount of money to play, so you are getting what you are not paying for, and even if you were paying, the simple fact of the matter is that they were there first.

We're not talking about NM competition, here. We're not talking about, "Wah wah Susie stole my candy," here. Let me quote a scenario I already stated in this thread.

Say I have a party of 8. We hit a mob and get 4 links. We're busy fighting 5 mobs appropriate for our level while the plvl runs around and chains the other 25. This is excessive. We finish fighting our 5 mobs, and the mobs are now respawning sporadically around the map. We can't get that link bonus anymore, so while we kill that 1 mob, the plvl runs around and kills 5.

Do you get what I'm saying, here? Note that this is an exaggerated situation as I'm going along with your "more mobs, faster respawn" scenario.

No one should have that kind of advantage, that kind of gain. Powerleveling should NOT be rewarding to that extent.
And it doesn't matter if none of us are paying for the damn game. Right now they're listening to us and, for the most part, changes to come are democratic in nature. I am fairly confident that the majority doesn't want this kind of spoon-feeding to be rampant in this game.

And to tell you the truth, I -would- pay for this game right now. Just not with this BS going on in it.

[Arximiro]

Leveling up no longer means anything. People will get with a friend and swap on and off their high rank class to PL each other while the other just goes afk.

This is fucking retarded and needs to be fixed asap. I hope we can get a Dev response about this because there is no way this is how they envisioned it.

If you are in favor of a player being able to go afk while someone ranks them up then you are a complete and utter dumbass.

[Sun-Runner]

The point is just: Of those groups, only 1 was playing the game, while the others were afk.

Possibly true. Or they could have been at their computers chatting away in party-chat or in linkshell-chat watching the show.

Just because you profit from a design flaw doesn't mean it's good design.

It truly doesn't matter what you (or I) think as to whether it is or is not a good design. They may change it. They may not. We aren't the ones making the decision. We are allowed to voice our opinions. You've voiced yours. I've voiced mine. They may even listen to them.

I do know that a number of (if not the majority of) other for-pay MMOs have power-leveling to varying degrees. I expect that this game will retain such, of one kind or another, to one degree or another. This is a fact of it being a MMO. PL happens.

[Ashiee]

Power Leveling is pretty broken, but its not necessarily a bad thing.

Realistically, the majority of new players would not have someone who would PL them right off the bat. Most of them will probably have to experience then pains of leveling up a job to a higher level by themselves or having to form party's (which I will admit now, new players will have a huge disadvantage with the patch, leveling up solo is kinda difficult now... not nearly as quick as last patch where I got my first 50 (along with some other jobs to 20) in 150 hours...)

For a game that's very ability dependent, Power Leveling makes it so you can get that one ability you want painlessly from a job you never really want to touch again. I know I have pretty much zero intention of ever playing gladiator, archer, or mage jobs, but I would like the abilities that they have at higher levels.

Honestly they should have made it easier for newer players solo, and kept it how it was 25-30+ (so they can get more customers in the door), but I'm not complaining, I really enjoy the fact I don't have to spend hours on jobs I don't want to play is amazing.

[Issac]

For a game that's very ability dependent, Power Leveling makes it so you can get that one ability you want painlessly from a job you never really want to touch again. I know I have pretty much zero intention of ever playing gladiator, archer, or mage jobs, but I would like the abilities that they have at higher levels.

What's the point of having multiple jobs if you can breeze through the task of getting abilities you want? I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold up at all. Might as well just have one class per character with additional abilities through merit points or somesuch.

[Mindx3]

because powerlevel should move out and find somewhere else where real players are playing. I don't care what you say how good you make it sound matter what you say you can't say PL is not broken and not break the game.

I was in a party with my ls and our lvl50 gld was killing stuff for us and there was a party killing the same mobs...at first there was competition but then we realised that there was enough mobs for everyone. Am i not considered a real player because im playing with my friends? Am i not considered a real player because i gained 1 whole lvl with a 50 in my group. Let me set this straight for you

Powerleveling is not broken, it does not brake the game, it is simply another option in which to gain exp....pre 1.18 everyone complained that there were no methods of gaining xp except leves...which was completely untrue since u could kill mobs 10 lvls ahead of you for 450-600 and level rather quickly at any level, you could also complete leves for 4.5-5k xp. Now i can grab as many leves as im allowed which is 30 atm...and when my friends arent on i can simply burn through them and level in no time as well. Leveling up does not brake the game...and the current plvl system does not break the game...go try it out yourself...i really doubt that you or your plvl will last more than 2-3 hours and within those lvls...unless your very low lvl and had a mage aoe everything (i still havent tested this but it sounds sweet) your not going to get 10 levels within the hour.

I gave the example earlier in this thread of my PT of 3 fighting raptors there was me a 39con a 31pug and a 50 lnc. It still took time for the lnc to kill the mobs and we could only normally keep chain 4 going. The exp was great but it wasnt anything groundbreaking, i didnt get 50 in a day i didnt get 10 lvls within the 1hour and 30 min that we fought raptors for. In fact as of now i am only 41, very very close to hitting 42 and i only did about 7 leves for the entire level, which only took me about 45 min. Again if 1-50 is possible within the day (and im talking for the avg player) then let me see screens let me see a video of someone completeing 1-50 in a couple hours prove it. Provide evidence that this is completely broken, as i have provided you evidence that it is not. And if it is indeed possible then so be it, this occurance will be very rare for any player i guarantee it, except maybe for bots and rmt's.

Im truly wondering how many MMO's you have played in the past besides FFXI if even that. Most MMO's have a system where you level up quickly, most MMO companys purposely make the grind easy and bareable, so normal players dont say fuck this shit its stupid id rather play instant gratification games like Fighters, FPS etc. Its the reason why WoW completely dominated EQ and FFXI in subs it took me 2 1/2 weeks to complete 1-60 when wow came out...im currently in my 2nd month of ffxiv and i still havent reached cap and im at the point where i want to get 50asap to fight ifrit with my LS and get started on my crafting to replace my dated gear, whats wrong with having a buddy help me accomplish this goal? I could easily grab a PT and get comparable xp, i could easily do leves and get comparable xp. Either way im still going to hit 50...and all your complaining isnt going to stop that.

Now excuse me while i finish more leves and wait untill my friends get on.

[Zenaku]

I was in a party with my ls and our lvl50 gld was killing stuff for us and there was a party killing the same mobs...at first there was competition but then we realised that there was enough mobs for everyone. Am i not considered a real player because im playing with my friends? Am i not considered a real player because i gained 1 whole lvl with a 50 in my group. Let me set this straight for you

Powerleveling is not broken, it does not brake the game, it is simply another option in which to gain exp....pre 1.18 everyone complained that there were no methods of gaining xp except leves...which was completely untrue since u could kill mobs 10 lvls ahead of you for 450-600 and level rather quickly at any level, you could also complete leves for 4.5-5k xp. Now i can grab as many leves as im allowed which is 30 atm...and when my friends arent on i can simply burn through them and level in no time as well. Leveling up does not brake the game...and the current plvl system does not break the game...go try it out yourself...i really doubt that you or your plvl will last more than 2-3 hours and within those lvls...unless your very low lvl and had a mage aoe everything (i still havent tested this but it sounds sweet) your not going to get 10 levels within the hour.

I gave the example earlier in this thread of my PT of 3 fighting raptors there was me a 39con a 31pug and a 50 lnc. It still took time for the lnc to kill the mobs and we could only normally keep chain 4 going. The exp was great but it wasnt anything groundbreaking, i didnt get 50 in a day i didnt get 10 lvls within the 1hour and 30 min that we fought raptors for. In fact as of now i am only 41, very very close to hitting 42 and i only did about 7 leves for the entire level, which only took me about 45 min. Again if 1-50 is possible within the day (and im talking for the avg player) then let me see screens let me see a video of someone completeing 1-50 in a couple hours prove it. Provide evidence that this is completely broken, as i have provided you evidence that it is not. And if it is indeed possible then so be it, this occurance will be very rare for any player i guarantee it, except maybe for bots and rmt's.

Im truly wondering how many MMO's you have played in the past besides FFXI if even that. Most MMO's have a system where you level up quickly, most MMO companys purposely make the grind easy and bareable, so normal players dont say fuck this shit its stupid id rather play instant gratification games like Fighters, FPS etc. Its the reason why WoW completely dominated EQ and FFXI in subs it took me 2 1/2 weeks to complete 1-60 when wow came out...im currently in my 2nd month of ffxiv and i still havent reached cap and im at the point where i want to get 50asap to fight ifrit with my LS and get started on my crafting to replace my dated gear, whats wrong with having a buddy help me accomplish this goal? I could easily grab a PT and get comparable xp, i could easily do leves and get comparable xp. Either way im still going to hit 50...and all your complaining isnt going to stop that.

Now excuse me while i finish more leves and wait untill my friends get on.

Enough to understand it's broken and don't you people even read? how many time i have to say it?

Yoshi-p said that you wont get much exp from a friend killing a higher level mob for you be then again people are getting 300-1k Your friend is helping you gain level and you can just sit there this is how it's broken and RMT and many people would get 50 do the few stuff there is and complain how there noting to do at 50.

For game list? EQ,EQ2,FFXI,WOW,AION,RIFT,RS,The Lord of the Rings online, Should i go on?

[Ashiee]

What's the point of having multiple jobs if you can breeze through the task of getting abilities you want? I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold up at all. Might as well just have one class per character with additional abilities through merit points or somesuch.

I wouldn't mind having that as an option, but that's just my cup of tea. Other people actually like leveling multiple jobs and playing them all, it's all preference~ for me personally, I only played gladiator to get sentinel, and my mage job for cure spells, I disliked every minute of playing them :P Getting cure III or sacrifice III grinding would just be terrible solo grinding for me, I hate playing mage jobs. I'm not saying power leveling isn't broken, cause it is... but that doesn't mean I don't welcome it~