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    Quote Originally Posted by Issac View Post
    Right, because materia itself is the only thing we want in character progression. And the only purpose for gear from lv1-49 is to make materia to make our characters stronger.
    Players who choose to not PL have a use for all levels of gear.

    I already stated that in my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Issac View Post
    Powerleveling to this gross extent does not belong in ANY MMORPG.
    So change the "label" to something else, problem solved.

    I don't enjoy or not enjoy a game based on what it's "labeled" as... I enjoy a game because it includes the options I enjoy.

    So does everyone else.

    If you do not enjoy the options the game has to offer, stop playing it or ask for the options you enjoy to be added.

    However, the option you enjoy is already in FFXIV - you enjoy leveling slow, right? The option to level slow is already in FXIV, is it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    Players who choose to not PL have a use for all levels of gear.

    I already stated that in my post.
    You would have made a nice point, however it is nullified by the simple facts of human nature. Please don't make me explain this, as it has been covered at least ten times in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    However, the option you enjoy is already in FFXIV - you enjoy leveling slow, right? The option to level slow is already in FXIV, is it not?
    See above.
    Oooh, afterthought. See below, too. This is just one of the many ways people have said the exact same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rinsui View Post
    You throw a exploitable mechanic in a MMO, and expect players will not exploit it.
    Welcome to wonderland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Issac View Post
    You would have made a nice point, however it is nullified by the simple facts of human nature.
    You are going to tell me you will choose the option to PL because the option to PL is faster then the option to not PL, not because you enjoy it?

    You are going to tell me the fact that you choose to do something you do not enjoy is now somehow the fault of one option being faster then another option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    You are going to tell me you will choose the option to PL because the option to PL is faster then the option to not PL, not because you enjoy it?

    You are going to tell me the fact that you choose to do something you do not enjoy is now somehow the fault of one option being faster then another option?
    Yes, that is exactly correct. Do you think anyone enjoys synthesis grinding? Of course they don't. They do it because it gives them in-game benefits. The same goes for PL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    Yes, that is exactly correct. Do you think anyone enjoys synthesis grinding? Of course they don't. They do it because it gives them in-game benefits. The same goes for PL.
    Yes, I enjoy synthesis grinding and I that is why I choose to do it. Your theory has now been proven wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    Yes, I enjoy synthesis grinding and I that is why I choose to do it. Your theory has now been proven wrong.
    Don't be silly. Synthesis is essentially repeatedly pressing the same button for hours. Surely no being with a brain as advanced as a human's could find any stimulus in that? Everyone I know watches movies or something while doing it.

    Besides, unless you're posting on an alt, I can see that your highest craft is at L10. You've seen nothing yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    Don't be silly. Synthesis is essentially repeatedly pressing the same button for hours. Surely no being with a brain as advanced as a human's could find any stimulus in that? Everyone I know watches movies or something while doing it.

    Besides, unless you're posting on an alt, I can see that your highest craft is at L10. You've seen nothing yet.
    I told you I enjoy it.

    You calling me a lair does not prove I do not enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Issac View Post
    Oooh, afterthought. See below, too.
    Originally Posted by Rinsui You throw a exploitable mechanic in a MMO, and expect players will not exploit it.
    I already addressed this in my post as well.

    Originally Posted by Crica For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the one-in-charge. Yoshi-P is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    I already addressed this in my post as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Circa
    For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the creator/owner. Yoshi-P is not the creator of FFXIV, but he is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.
    So have we. 10's of pages ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travesty View Post
    And the argument that now there are just "different options" for people that don't want to grind is extremely shortsighted. If this quick option exists, too many people will use it for the alternative to survive in any meaningful capacity. If the option for easy exists, very few people choose hard, for a multitude of reasons, even if they were people who would have preferred a less-easy route.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zenaku View Post
    you should never get 1-50 mad quick even yoshi-p said that people should at least take 3half months to get there first high level.
    Please note the above quote. How much direct weight are we giving what Yoshi-P says? Yoshi is the poster-child right now, and Public Relations is a tricky job. Yes he is the producer, but he is also the voice of FFXIV. That's a tough job, to speak to an angry mob on a variety of topics.

    So stop using what he said in the live interview as a decree of law. Powerleveling is, in fact, outrageous and broken. It needs to be fixed.
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    Originally posted by Travesty ~~ If this quick option exists, too many people will use it for the alternative to survive in any meaningful capacity.
    He is saying that he would not enjoy being part of a minority of players who enjoy not PLing and have the option to not PL if they wish because....?

    Sorry, I could not extrapolate why he would not enjoy it from what he said...
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