Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Destain]

TO summarize this entire thread:

WAAAA I DONT HAVE ANYONE TO PLAY WITH PENALIZE THOSE THAT DO SO I CAN ALSO HAVE FUN WAAAAAAAA

Winner.

Everyone can go at their own pace. Obviously the ability to drop out a level 50 and still get exp should be removed. Beyond that, meh. To each their own? How does it effect me if I duo to 50 and someone else pl's to 50. It doesn't. Since I got some classes to 50 before exp was put on steriods, should I be mad? No. It was and is my choice to play an incomplete game and I had fun doing it. We all knew changes would be made.

Just an opinion.

[Majidah]

Winner.

Everyone can go at their own pace. Obviously the ability to drop out a level 50 and still get exp should be removed. Beyond that, meh. To each their own? How does it effect me if I duo to 50 and someone else pl's to 50. It doesn't. Since I got some classes to 50 before exp was put on steriods, should I be mad? No. It was and is my choice to play an incomplete game and I had fun doing it. We all knew changes would be made.

Just an opinion.

Its not a matter of how others level up. Its a matter of a living breathing world, game immersion, content and most of all: pacing.

[Zeref]

Its not a matter of how others level up. Its a matter of a living breathing world, game immersion, content and most of all: pacing.

Its not an issue of that at all, it's an issue of you wollowing in self-pitty because you either exhausted all your resources, or are incapable of obtaining them in the first place, the immersion and content are there from the start in an MMO, they're not given to you piece by piece, this is not a single-player story, therefor there is no pacing, which brings me back to square one, if you have nobody to play with, its your own damn fault, I will not suffer for it. or for that matter, if you have someone to play with, exhibit some damn self-control, if you don't want to get to 50 there is nobody forcing you to, i swear you are the same as those idiots that complain Anime is better than manga because hurrpacing, pacing is something you control yourself in an interactive medium, stop grasping at straws.

[Majidah]

Its not an issue of that at all, it's an issue of you wollowing in self-pitty because you either exhausted all your resources, or are incapable of obtaining them in the first place, the immersion and content are there from the start in an MMO, they're not given to you piece by piece, this is not a single-player story, therefor there is no pacing, which brings me back to square one, if you have nobody to play with, its your own damn fault, I will not suffer for it. or for that matter, if you have someone to play with, exhibit some damn self-control, if you don't want to get to 50 there is nobody forcing you to, i swear you are the same as those idiots that complain Anime is better than manga because hurrpacing, pacing is something you control yourself in an interactive medium, stop grasping at straws.

I tried being polite, so you can grab all your assumptions and shove them down your ass. Thanks.
You don't have the slightest idea of how anyone here fares in-game. So when making up all these stories you do nothing but look like a god damned idiot.

No one complained about having no one who to play with.

Try to drill into your thick skull: some (many, apparently) people actually want to enjoy the journey to 50 and not be doing end game at the beginning of the game.
FFXI delivered this. FFXIV does not.

Here's a secret: Pacing is always present. In every video game. It shouldn't be imposed by players, but by the game's DESIGNER. So people who suggest one should slow oneself down are giving terrible advise... one should play to their content.

Pacing is done with a leveling curve, prerequisites and quests. Which currently is so light it takes less than a week to get to end game, rendering all low level and mid level content useless.

God, no pacing? What a tool.

[Nikita]

TO summarize this entire thread:

WAAAA I DONT HAVE ANYONE TO PLAY WITH PENALIZE THOSE THAT DO SO I CAN ALSO HAVE FUN WAAAAAAAA

Pretty much! ^_^

[AmyRae]

The issue here is about time. It's always about time.

The death penalty always boils down to a time penalty, no matter the MMO. If you have to collect your body, that takes time. If you have to regain your XP, that takes time. If you have to repair your gear, that takes time and the money needed to repair it takes time to collect as well. If you have to wait for "raise sickness" to wear off, that also takes time. If you died in an instance with a time limit, your valuable time is being wasted while you recover, and you might have to take the time to do the whole thing again if you don't complete it in time!

Likewise, all this stuff about powerleveling and grinding is entirely about time.

The goal of the grind is never to "prolong the experience" or "learn skills." Skills are just rewards for leveling up, and they're not hard to use once you learn what they do. They tickle the reward center of your brain to make you feel more powerful and prepare you to be more willing to grind longer for more rewards later (much, much later). So skills motivate you to grind, but they're not the goal.

The goal of any grind is to get it over with in the least amount of time possible. That translates into selecting high concentrations of low defense, inept offense mobs with juicy portions of xp and killing them non-stop in rapid succession. And what is the reward for that? Getting to endgame faster.

Why does getting to endgame faster matter? Because it lets you collect endgame gear faster. And why does collecting endgame gear faster matter? Because the more endgame gear you have, the faster you can collect even more endgame gear (because using the endgame gear you already have makes collecting more that much easier).

So you see, it's all about time. Always has been. Always will be.

[DeadRiser]

thanks for the math and everything and that post.

But beyond that, I still think it's silly to have the sort of progression we have now.

[Leigh]

Replace PL with LFG measures and just tell me where to sign. Otherwise, thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.

[Reabs]

Believe it or not not everyone is going around getting PL'd from 1-50 in a single day. I've been in several xp parties over the past month none of which had a PL or even mentioned getting a PL. Furthermore you should really not be bothered by other people getting to cap so fast. The only thing that should possibly bother you is that perhaps players will leave if they have no classes to level however if the main thing keeping players in this game is leveling a class from 1-50 that makes for a pretty poor game and I think a lot of players would leave for that reason alone (as they already have).

[darkstarpoet1]

Believe it or not not everyone is going around getting PL'd from 1-50 in a single day. I've been in several xp parties over the past month none of which had a PL or even mentioned getting a PL. Furthermore you should really not be bothered by other people getting to cap so fast. The only thing that should possibly bother you is that perhaps players will leave if they have no classes to level however if the main thing keeping players in this game is leveling a class from 1-50 that makes for a pretty poor game and I think a lot of players would leave for that reason alone (as they already have).

/sarcasm on

nope, worries about the economy sinking even farther, lack of things to do, people leaving, and it being a year before the 2.0 release are no concern at all.

/sarcasm off