Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Issac]

I don't even understand how people can blur what key elements are in RPGs, and transversely, MMORPGs. Sorel, you may think what you're saying is logical, but the flaw in your logic is the joke of even bringing up 1xp per second logged in, or any variation of such.

Honestly, I don't care so much how fast I level up. Okay, maybe a little- I'd prefer it to take a month to reach cap playing 6-8 hours a day(Note: At the very least. Optimally, 3-6 months.). I'd also prefer there to be storyline pitstops along the way. But what I most certainly care about is seeing a group of idiots standing around in their underwear and some rank 1 weapon staring at a lv50 mowing down mobs. Call it a tick.

[CrystalWeapon]

I don't even understand how people can blur what key elements are in RPGs, and transversely, MMORPGs. Sorel, you may think what you're saying is logical, but the flaw in your logic is the joke of even bringing up 1xp per second logged in, or any variation of such.

Honestly, I don't care so much how fast I level up. Okay, maybe a little- I'd prefer it to take a month to reach cap playing 6-8 hours a day(Note: At the very least. Optimally, 3-6 months.). I'd also prefer there to be storyline pitstops along the way. But what I most certainly care about is seeing a group of idiots standing around in their underwear and some rank 1 weapon staring at a lv50 mowing down mobs. Call it a tick.

Taking that long to go from 1 to 50 playing 6~8 hours a day would be on a far slower pace of leveling than XI ever had, and I'm talking about pre-abyssea days. It didn't take nearly that long just to get to lv 50. If progression in this game ever slowed down to anywheres near that long to level I'd start pulling out shoes left and right to smack people with.

[Abauge_Goga]

I am a casual player and I only play 3-4 hrs every other day, including the weekends for argument sake.

I don't mind how fast you level a character tbh because of the limited time I have. I think people that play a lot have issues with it because they run out of stuff to do.

I wouldn't mind an exp cut simply because it will allow you to develop and learn to enjoy a class, rather than breeze through 50 levels in a few days and having no clue what you are doing.

After 1.20/1.21, when the classes/jobs are going to get completelly changed this may not be an issue anymore, we will have to wait and see.

[coldviper18]

Someone explain to me how to get this insane XP, as leveling otherwise is an extremely long grind once your out of leves... I'm still level 17 and out of leves and have no idea what else to do besides grind? Screw that... Grinding is lame.

[Shneibel]

Someone explain to me how to get this insane XP, as leveling otherwise is an extremely long grind once your out of leves... I'm still level 17 and out of leves and have no idea what else to do besides grind? Screw that... Grinding is lame.

find ppl to party with = insane exp

[Sorel]

edit: the issue with putting on a time frame once you get into the second subgroup is you have to take into consideration of a risk/reward system. if i am rank 40 what sp per hour should i get doing 35, 30, 20, and 10 level mobs? you can't put a set rate on them overall because each would have to be different because i am taking more risks the higher the level project i am taking on.

I understand what you are saying about risk/reward. But what's the risk? There is no death penalty in FFXIV. Do you mean the equipment durability penalty? Do you think that is enough to be considered a true risk on the player's part? No sarcasm. I'm just asking an honest question.

[darkstarpoet1]

I understand what you are saying about risk/reward. But what's the risk? There is no death penalty in FFXIV. Do you mean the equipment durability penalty? Do you think that is enough to be considered a true risk on the player's part? No sarcasm. I'm just asking an honest question.

the risk is the tougher the mob you are fighting the longer you fight it and the more of a chance to die. if you don't reward the risk associated with doing stuff higher level then people will just spam killing r1 marmots if they give the same sp as raptors and you can kill them 10 times as fast.

why would i go and fight in a group of r50+ raptors in a group of r40's if i can go by myself and just run through a set of marmots and spriggans and get better sp? i can 1 shot the marmots, but it takes a few seconds to kill the raptors and they may kill me(if i die i get no sp at all).

[Sorel]

I understand what you are saying about risk/reward. But what's the risk? There is no death penalty in FFXIV. Do you mean the equipment durability penalty? Do you think that is enough to be considered a true risk on the player's part? No sarcasm. I'm just asking an honest question.

the risk is the tougher the mob you are fighting the longer you fight it and the more of a chance to die. if you don't reward the risk associated with doing stuff higher level then people will just spam killing r1 marmots if they give the same sp as raptors and you can kill them 10 times as fast.

why would i go and fight in a group of r50+ raptors in a group of r40's if i can go by myself and just run through a set of marmots and spriggans and get better sp? i can 1 shot the marmots, but it takes a few seconds to kill the raptors and they may kill me(if i die i get no sp at all).

So the risk is a longer fight, right? But isn't a longer fight almost guaranteed by fighting against higher level mobs anyway? So it's not a risk that can be avoided. It's more like a trade-off or a price. "Fight a tougher enemy that will take longer to kill and use up more of your character's resources in order to level faster."

But I agree that dying and not gaining XP for the fight is a legitimate risk, though. Especially if higher level fights take more time and resources (MP, HP, time-limited abilities, items, food, etc). Dying makes a player lose the time and resources spent on that particular fight.

This is why, generally, partying is so attractive. The resources of multiple players are essentially pooled, and the players most efficient at utilizing/conserving a particular resource (HP, MP, TP, etc) draw from the pool to defeat the enemy. Because a party is generally more efficient at dispatching enemies, they gain the most benefit from a reward system based on XP-chaining. A party can keep a chain going longer than a solo player because the solo player only has his own resources to expend. When a solo player tuns low on a resource, he either has to stop or he dies. Either way, he isn't getting a reward during that time.

Which I guess is why some in the community don't sit well with "powerleveling", in general. It short circuits that risk/trade-off & XP relationship described above. The higher level player uses his resources while the lower level player gets the reward.

Regardless, to your point that fighting Level 1 Marmots should not earn a player the same reward as fighting Level 50 Raptors ... I certainly agree with that on an individual fight-by-fight basis. But I'm on the fence if it should be true over a period of time.

If a player spends 2 hours fighting 200 lower level marmots, should he gain fewer levels than if he spent that 2 hours fighting 20 higher level raptors, even if the player would barely tap his resources against the marmot, and nearly fully expended his resources in every raptor fight?

[Majidah]

I understand what you are saying about risk/reward. But what's the risk? There is no death penalty in FFXIV. Do you mean the equipment durability penalty? Do you think that is enough to be considered a true risk on the player's part? No sarcasm. I'm just asking an honest question.

When a player dies he should lose all his souls, he'll then have to run back to get them in order to retrieve them. If he dies in the way they'll be lost forever.
His HP should be reduced and the enemies should become stronger too.

Also, if he was alive when this happened the world should turn further into a dark tendency which raises the quantity and power of monsters.

Oh wait. That's Demon's Souls. But here we whine losing exp is too harsh.

[Zeref]

TO summarize this entire thread:

WAAAA I DONT HAVE ANYONE TO PLAY WITH PENALIZE THOSE THAT DO SO I CAN ALSO HAVE FUN WAAAAAAAA