Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Rinsui]

The point is just: Of those groups, only 1 was playing the game, while the others were afk.
Read. Think. Judge.
Not the other way round.
And before you say: "Oh, but those were real accounts playing!" - Gilsellers have real accounts, too.
Read. Think. Judge.
Just because you profit from a design flaw doesn't mean it's good design.

[Sun-Runner]

The point is just: Of those groups, only 1 was playing the game, while the others were afk.

Possibly true. Or they could have been at their computers chatting away in party-chat or in linkshell-chat watching the show.

Just because you profit from a design flaw doesn't mean it's good design.

It truly doesn't matter what you (or I) think as to whether it is or is not a good design. They may change it. They may not. We aren't the ones making the decision. We are allowed to voice our opinions. You've voiced yours. I've voiced mine. They may even listen to them.

I do know that a number of (if not the majority of) other for-pay MMOs have power-leveling to varying degrees. I expect that this game will retain such, of one kind or another, to one degree or another. This is a fact of it being a MMO. PL happens.

[Arximiro]

Leveling up no longer means anything. People will get with a friend and swap on and off their high rank class to PL each other while the other just goes afk.

This is fucking retarded and needs to be fixed asap. I hope we can get a Dev response about this because there is no way this is how they envisioned it.

If you are in favor of a player being able to go afk while someone ranks them up then you are a complete and utter dumbass.

[Ashiee]

Power Leveling is pretty broken, but its not necessarily a bad thing.

Realistically, the majority of new players would not have someone who would PL them right off the bat. Most of them will probably have to experience then pains of leveling up a job to a higher level by themselves or having to form party's (which I will admit now, new players will have a huge disadvantage with the patch, leveling up solo is kinda difficult now... not nearly as quick as last patch where I got my first 50 (along with some other jobs to 20) in 150 hours...)

For a game that's very ability dependent, Power Leveling makes it so you can get that one ability you want painlessly from a job you never really want to touch again. I know I have pretty much zero intention of ever playing gladiator, archer, or mage jobs, but I would like the abilities that they have at higher levels.

Honestly they should have made it easier for newer players solo, and kept it how it was 25-30+ (so they can get more customers in the door), but I'm not complaining, I really enjoy the fact I don't have to spend hours on jobs I don't want to play is amazing.

[Issac]

For a game that's very ability dependent, Power Leveling makes it so you can get that one ability you want painlessly from a job you never really want to touch again. I know I have pretty much zero intention of ever playing gladiator, archer, or mage jobs, but I would like the abilities that they have at higher levels.

What's the point of having multiple jobs if you can breeze through the task of getting abilities you want? I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold up at all. Might as well just have one class per character with additional abilities through merit points or somesuch.

[Ashiee]

What's the point of having multiple jobs if you can breeze through the task of getting abilities you want? I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold up at all. Might as well just have one class per character with additional abilities through merit points or somesuch.

I wouldn't mind having that as an option, but that's just my cup of tea. Other people actually like leveling multiple jobs and playing them all, it's all preference~ for me personally, I only played gladiator to get sentinel, and my mage job for cure spells, I disliked every minute of playing them :P Getting cure III or sacrifice III grinding would just be terrible solo grinding for me, I hate playing mage jobs. I'm not saying power leveling isn't broken, cause it is... but that doesn't mean I don't welcome it~

[DrekeLamorte]

Okay, this seriously needs to be fixed immediately.

Now, before you all say, "Oh come on dude, why you gotta crap on something so awesome," honestly think about it. The consequences will be a domino effect that just might force SE to do a server rollback.

Here's an example: I just got 25,000EXP in less than five minutes. From level 24 to 25 with a friend killing and chaining crabs for me in my party.

The above is far far too extreme. Given these possibilities, and even more if she killed something at a higher level, everyone will exploit the crap out of this and no one will have a job below level 40 within a month. Do we really want this? Do we want to make the journey to cap so utterly pointless?

I'm really concerned for the future of this game if this is what SE intended in this patch! This is bad, really bad. Please, SE, let's get an emergency maintenance and fix this before it is too late!

Five times now people have tried to be clever and call me a hypocrite or somesuch. Let me make it exceedingly clear that I refuse to use this now that my friend and I have tested it out. Nor do I want to be complacent with it.

This isn't a time-sink grind. I understand your concerns, but have you tried crafting or gathering? Use a manual and burn your aspect on a leve, you'll see the same results. It's not meant to be a slow, tedious solo grind. It's meant to be enjoyed at the peak, for everyone. Get on and explore the new beastmen strongholds, just because you can. Go do In-game content. Remember all those (!)'s you ignore because the rewards are so low? Well those are meant to be enjoyed, not enter-spam through and follow your journal map. Read!!!!! You could even experiment and test things with the new system and crossed-class abilities to make a build unique to you, that you WANT, not necessarily need.

Also, finish taking up all your other classes to 50. There is no main job. SE has already announced job classes. They plan on changing things even more drastically than this in the near future. Ride the tide.

[vax]

Ok, yesterday a friend of a ls Pled 4 of the member of the linkshell and wtf, this is fucking broken, monster pop every 1 min and fucking easy to kill for a lvl 50 (we were fighting raptors near iron like). Got lnc 31 to almost 36 in less than 1:30.
SE should fix this before become an Abyssea 2.0. (but after i got my lnc to 50 xD)

[AmyRae]

Maybe you don't read or maybe you don't understand it broken due to the fact that you get the full amoumt of exp for someone killing a high level mob for you. Listen to my words "YOSHI-P SAID YOU WONT GET THAT MUCH EXP IF SOMEONE KILL A HIGHER MOB FOR YOU!!!!!!!!"

"YOSHI-P said that you wont get much exp for someone killing mobs for you that are higher level then you but right now people are getting full EXP or are you blind can't read that part? it broken it most be fix and they should never allow powerlevel in a game there other ways of doing it exp band,link account and so on.

Once again yoshi-p said that but he said you wont get a lot of exp for your friend killing a high level mob for you which is not happening which is broken so you clam down and learn how to read.

I don't know how many time i have to say this yoshi- p said that when a high level kill a high level mob for a low level you wont get much exp so it's broken and over 90+ people agree that pl break a game you could deal with it on other way.

Enough to understand it's broken and don't you people even read? how many time i have to say it? Yoshi-p said that you wont get much exp from a friend killing a higher level mob for you be then again people are getting 300-1k

As much as you like to accuse people of not reading, I don't think you actually follow your own advice. Here's what Yoshida actually said just before the patch was released:

It depends on what you consider power leveling. For example, if my friend and I were playing completely different games. I've already reached the level 50 cap, and then I invite my friend. Of course I want to do end game content like Ifrit with him, but I invited him, and he wants to play too, and we are really good friends so I want to help him out.

I can help him out with my level 50 character when he's being attacked by a monster. Of course it's going to lower the XP a bit, but I'd like to make it a bit loose and not too strict. I just want to make sure friends are able to help each other if they want to challenge content together by filling the gap.

The whole idea here is to let people use their level 50 status to help get their friends to 50 so they can join them in endgame faster. Yes, he did say the XP would be lowered, but obviously not to the extent that you seem to be claiming it should be. You've penciled in a whole lot of opinion into what you've claimed Yoshida has said about it, and it's not even close.

The intention of powerleveling is pretty clear to anyone who can read.

[Issac]

As much as you like to accuse people of not reading, I don't think you actually follow your own advice. Here's what Yoshida actually said just before the patch was released:



The whole idea here is to let people use their level 50 status to help get their friends to 50 so they can join them in endgame faster. Yes, he did say the XP would be lowered, but obviously not to the extent that you seem to be claiming it should be. You've penciled in a whole lot of opinion into what you've claimed Yoshida has said about it, and it's not even close.

The intention of powerleveling is pretty clear to anyone who can read.

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No, I think Zen is pretty spot on with the bit about people not reading the thread. People like you.
Either that, or I think you're just blatantly ignoring it.

I already addressed this in my post as well.

For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the creator/owner. Yoshi-P is not the creator of FFXIV, but he is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.

you should never get 1-50 mad quick even yoshi-p said that people should at least take 3half months to get there first high level.

Please note the above quote. How much direct weight are we giving what Yoshi-P says? Yoshi is the poster-child right now, and Public Relations is a tricky job. Yes he is the producer, but he is also the voice of FFXIV. That's a tough job, to speak to an angry mob on a variety of topics.

So stop using what he said in the live interview as a decree of law. Powerleveling is, in fact, outrageous and broken. It needs to be fixed.