Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[elreed]

STOP WHINING AND PLAY THE GAME, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE GETS A CHANCE TO GIVE THEIR OP.

[AreeyaJaidee]

These threads seem like a common trend. Almost as if an organized group is pushing for FFXIV extinction

Yoshi said: if ppl want to PL then let them.

OP is overdramaticizing his point. I mean he even took the time to bold the inflection of his words.

The truth: 50 is far from what cap will be. SE knows this. Doesnt matter if players get 50 fast, for three main reasons:

- A good bit of MMOs capitalize on End Game more so than lower lvl play because there are massive timesinks in End Game. This isnt to say that low lvl play doesnt get focus too. Lets be honest: when you play a MMO your dreams are those of grandeur. You wanna be that epic looking player in that epic dungeon doing epic stuff working for that epic super long time sink gear.

- lvl caps: lvl caps increment as you lvl up. This is all part of predetermined balancing done by pp who get paid as their job to do so accurately. So youre telling me the OP who has zero credibility as a expert in these matters is a step ahead of the actual games developers? Lol

- PLing is a choice. The unskilled player who accepts PLs is less likely to smoothly adapt into the higher tiers of his class/job. He then has to live with the reprecussions of his decision. A already skilled/knowledgeable player, however, maybe PLd for different reasons: required sub abilities in order to play his class at full efficiency or quickly lvling a class to 50 so he can help his LS which is short on DPS players.

OP will most likely refute and argue these points, which is only a further testament to ignorance.

Yoshi knows this games mechanics inside and out. Until the OP becomes of same level wisdom and knowledge please just crawl back under the bridge and quit defaming this mans latest masterpiece.

[Senprum]

When you do "power level" in other MMOs you have a logical limit: you have to do the first or the final bash to the monster (depends of the game), or if your friend is too high, you don't receive a lot of exp. But here, in FFXIV, you receive too much experience points with a Full Party with a character Level 50 killing mobs very fast. Why? It has no sense at all! I like the idea, but it's too much!

They destroyed the game balance allowing people to be 50 in two days. And it's offensive to people who already is 50. What will happen when PS3 players start the game? Everyone will be 50s, and they are going to powerlevel to 50 in 8 hours or less. This is not a good experience to start, I think.

People are going to powerlevel for everything: goodbye low level instances, goodbye low-mid...high level parties. The game will be this: "Powerlevel Party @4/8 Do you need it?".

I loved this game and I'm here since Open Beta. I'm a fan of Yoishi's work, but this is ridiculous. I can't find a good solution for this. An update? People are powerleveling like crazies right now. They can do a rollback, but I don't think they are going to do that.

Ok, now?

[AkayoAkayu]

I agree with OP.

I hope they fix the leve Exp and PL potential abuse and standardization. I knew the claiming changes would make PL rediculously high. Im just hoping they fix it. Its like every patch makes lvling faster then it gets fixed. Hope they just fix it and leave exp gains alone. Most players pick this game cause lvling is rewarding, (especially) now that there are more things to do WHILE leveling up, it shouldnt be so fast of a process. Theres no rush to getting to 50, most stuff is for pre-50 players. Darkhold and hard(i liked "hyper") ifrit. No need to rush to 50

It sounds like most fans who have been playing awhile agree: if leveling speed is as fast as it is now, it could really mess up the game, but thats what u get when youre dealing with PC players, especially since were not payin yet. I know it could ruin it for me, its always been my breaking point, LOVE everything else.

Hopefully the PS3 release will bring a ton of JP and long time FF fans who will actually pay monthly. Thats the update im waiting for most of all. Hopefully then the junk normal MMO/PC players get put in will be corrected.

It's ultimately up to SE, i do think they may be listening to player input too much and too soon.

Oh well, we'll see.

[AreeyaJaidee]

When you do "power level" in other MMOs you have a logical limit: you have to do the first or the final bash to the monster (depends of the game), or if your friend is too high, you don't receive a lot of exp. But here, in FFXIV, you receive too much experience points with a Full Party with a character Level 50 killing mobs very fast. Why? It has no sense at all! I like the idea, but it's too much!

They destroyed the game balance allowing people to be 50 in two days. And it's offensive to people who already is 50. What will happen when PS3 players start the game? Everyone will be 50s, and they are going to powerlevel to 50 in 8 hours or less. This is not a good experience to start, I think.

People are going to powerlevel for everything: goodbye low level instances, goodbye low-mid...high level parties. The game will be this: "Powerlevel Party @4/8 Do you need it?".

I loved this game and I'm here since Open Beta. I'm a fan of Yoishi's work, but this is ridiculous. I can't find a good solution for this. An update? People are powerleveling like crazies right now. They can do a rollback, but I don't think they are going to do that.

Ok, now?

Bandwagon mentality. This confirms my previous statements.

Instead of summarizing the same regurgitated arguing points why dont you factually prove the point?

So far the basis of this thread is founded upon "in my opinion..."

Please further your opinion with facts.

Please tell us all: Exactly how, in minute detail, does PLing ruin FFXIV? How does it effect the economy?

Exactly what is "too much exp"? Which global convention or standard do you base your rants validity upon?

I doubt you even know or can validate your accussations with hard facts.

Case proven.

[PrettyPrincess]

Bandwagon mentality. This confirms my previous statements.

Instead of summarizing the same regurgitated arguing points why dont you factually prove the point?

So far the basis of this thread is founded upon "in my opinion..."

Please further your opinion with facts.

Please tell us all: Exactly how, in minute detail, does PLing ruin FFXIV? How does it effect the economy?

Exactly what is "too much exp"? Which global convention or standard do you base your rants validity upon?

I doubt you even know or can validate your accussations with hard facts.

Case proven.

Well said !

[Senprum]

Bandwagon mentality. This confirms my previous statements.

Instead of summarizing the same regurgitated arguing points why dont you factually prove the point?

So far the basis of this thread is founded upon "in my opinion..."

Please further your opinion with facts.

Please tell us all: Exactly how, in minute detail, does PLing ruin FFXIV? How does it effect the economy?

Exactly what is "too much exp"? Which global convention or standard do you base your rants validity upon?

I doubt you even know or can validate your accussations with hard facts.

Case proven.

What?

I have found all my LS members doing Powerleveling to be 30-40 with all classes. I have found in the main cities people shouting for Powerleveling Parties instiead of Parties to do things together (like it was pre-1.19).

What's too much exp for me? A way to leveling 3-5 faster than WoW, considering that WoW it's too easy for a lot of people.

And, what's is the point of the economy? I haven't said anything about that. I just said the content pre-50 is pointless. Why instances of level 15 and 25? Why all the sidequests? Why reforming levequest system? Why are you going to level up "normally" if you can powerlevel?

New players can't do parties with other people of their level because everyone prefer powerleveling. So new players need high-level friends to level up well in the game right now.

Do you really think it's ok?

[RemVye]

What?

I have found all my LS members doing Powerleveling to be 30-40 with all classes. I have found in the main cities people shouting for Powerleveling Parties instiead of Parties to do things together (like it was pre-1.19).

What's too much exp for me? A way to leveling 3-5 faster than WoW, considering that WoW it's too easy for a lot of people.

And, what's is the point of the economy? I haven't said anything about that. I just said the content pre-50 is pointless. Why instances of level 15 and 25? Why all the sidequests? Why reforming levequest system? Why are you going to level up "normally" if you can powerlevel?

New players can't do parties with other people of their level because everyone prefer powerleveling. So new players need high-level friends to level up well in the game right now.

Do you really think it's ok?

Yes it's ok. I hope someone will PL me on the classes I don't really want to level but "need" there abilities. Accept it or leave.

[Travesty]

Bandwagon mentality. This confirms my previous statements.

Instead of summarizing the same regurgitated arguing points why dont you factually prove the point?

So far the basis of this thread is founded upon "in my opinion..."

Please further your opinion with facts.

Please tell us all: Exactly how, in minute detail, does PLing ruin FFXIV? How does it effect the economy?

Exactly what is "too much exp"? Which global convention or standard do you base your rants validity upon?

I doubt you even know or can validate your accussations with hard facts.

Case proven.

Here's one small example of how it can destroy the game: crafting classes can't advance anywhere close to as fast. The entire crafting comunity will lag HUGELY behind the combat classes if the current setup remains, which will contribute significantly to destroying the economy. For one, lower level gear will become almost completely useless

If you can reach the cap in 8 hours, what is even the point of having a vast open world if you can just be powerleveled through the game at warp speed in basically one spot? You're never going to explore any area with lower level content.

What is the point of even having any sub-level-50 gear of any significance in the game?

What is the point of having NM's in the game below level 50?

What is the point in having level 25 raids?

The entire point of view that people who think this is OK are coming from is absurd, and does not fit this game whatsoever. Reaching the cap as quickly as people now can WILL hurt it, no debate. It's just the logical conclusion and arguing that it's ok is ridiculous.

And the argument that now there are just "different options" for people that don't want to grind is extremely shortsighted. If this quick option exists, too many people will use it for the alternative to survive in any meaningful capacity. If the option for easy exists, very few people choose hard, for a multitude of reasons, even if they were people who would have preferred a less-easy route.

[Mindx3]

Here's one small example of how it can destroy the game: crafting classes can't advance anywhere close to as fast. The entire crafting comunity will lag HUGELY behind the combat classes if the current setup remains, which will contribute significantly to destroying the economy. For one, lower level gear will become almost completely useless

Thank god people took the time to lvl alot of crafting classes on my server and your worrys would be valid if this were a brand new game, but its not, there are a ton of crafters out there max lvl. Low lvl everything becomes useless eventually. Not everyone will have the luxory of a plvl 100% of the time so its still not completely useless. Hopefully this brings down prices of low lvl gear as well.