Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[RemVye]

I play FFXIV where you can learn to play a class in a very short amount of time. 40-50 is more then enough time to learn to play a class where you dont usually Plvl. I dunno maybe I'm the exception that it doesn't take me months to learn how to play a class.

Takes about 30-45 minutes at max level. You know, you press those skills when they light up on your screen!

It takes roughly 4 days in WoW to go 1-50. (12 hours / day). I just did it on a new account. They have millions of players. XIV has a few thousand. SE wants more players. We want more players. Less focus on grind and more focus on getting your gear will appeal to a lot of people.

If it doesn't appeal to you, you have a choice to not play the game. Make your suggestions. Stop bickering and let the dev's decide how they will take these suggestions. If they don't take yours and your so upset. Stop paying for the game.

If your still paying for the game your accepting what it is, even if just a little bit.

4 days to hit level 50 (12 hours / day)... 4 days playing 12 hours a day?( I think you meant 12 hours total. ) That seems a bit long to me... I know I leveled from 1 - 80 in about 3 days on my Priest back in Wotlk. (With the exp gear though... grab all dungeon quests - queue up and get instant party !) But I was playing long hours every day.

People that want a long grind are going to find themselves S.O.L until the level cap is 75+. And it's really unnecessary.

[Icehunter]

Takes about 30-45 minutes at max level. You know, you press those skills when they light up on your screen!



4 days to hit level 50 (12 hours / day)... 4 days playing 12 hours a day?( I think you meant 12 hours total. ) That seems a bit long to me... I know I leveled from 1 - 80 in about 3 days on my Priest back in Wotlk. (With the exp gear though... grab all dungeon quests - queue up and get instant party !) But I was playing long hours every day.

People that want a long grind are going to find themselves S.O.L until the level cap is 75+. And it's really unnecessary.

I took my time, but it illustrates a very important point. I hate WoW. Let's get that over with. I don't hate the mechanics, I hate the graphics.

I love FFXI and XIV, but the mechanics of both need something more.

WoW is the most successful MMO. So if SE wants some of that PIE they will have to utilize some aspects from other MMO's and combine those into a great melting pot.

They have a little bit of every one of them in XIV right now at least. Some people are calling for a replica of XI with updated graphics. Go play something else. Every MMO has to be updated and/or different. Just because it's labled FF doesn't mean it has to be FFXI 2.0.

If FFXI worked so well why didn't they have 10mil + people, or like GW 5mil+ active players. It was a niche market that they had. XIV needs to get OUT of that niche and cater to many more styles of players.

[darkstarpoet1]

I took my time, but it illustrates a very important point. I hate WoW. Let's get that over with. I don't hate the mechanics, I hate the graphics.

I love FFXI and XIV, but the mechanics of both need something more.

WoW is the most successful MMO. So if SE wants some of that PIE they will have to utilize some aspects from other MMO's and combine those into a great melting pot.

They have a little bit of every one of them in XIV right now at least. Some people are calling for a replica of XI with updated graphics. Go play something else. Every MMO has to be updated and/or different. Just because it's labled FF doesn't mean it has to be FFXI 2.0.

If FFXI worked so well why didn't they have 10mil + people, or like GW 5mil+ active players. It was a niche market that they had. XIV needs to get OUT of that niche and cater to many more styles of players.

or the people consistently telling others to go play other games could always just go play another one themselves. yes, xiv wants to get more players than what xi had, but it does not have to go to the other extreme to get there.

[Icehunter]

What sends a bigger message? Thousands of people complaining like children in a thread or thousands people that stop paying for a game. If a large chunk of the last few thousands of players of this game; quit, you can bet SE would listen more. I don't need to play another game because this game offers everything I need at the moment.

When the day comes that it offers less than I need; and one day it will happen either via it's age or my own desires than I'll quit. The biggest statement is not what one does with their words but with their actions. Everyone can talk about how bad something is but unless you do something about it; it really doesn't mean jack squat.

[Sidious]

It takes roughly 4 days in WoW to go 1-50. (12 hours / day). I just did it on a new account. They have millions of players. XIV has a few thousand. SE wants more players. We want more players. Less focus on grind and more focus on getting your gear will appeal to a lot of people.

If it doesn't appeal to you, you have a choice to not play the game. Make your suggestions. Stop bickering and let the dev's decide how they will take these suggestions. If they don't take yours and your so upset. Stop paying for the game.

If your still paying for the game your accepting what it is, even if just a little bit.

For what it's worth, the WoW where leveling that fast is mainstream has been tanking at a rate of two million subs every three quarters. In the days where WoW got the vast majority of its subs (vanilla got 5 million in a day when mmo's were not mainstream, burning crusade expanded on vanilla and got another 6 million for a total of 11 million, wrath of the lich king changed the game into what you describe and stagnated, gaining only 1 million, and Cataclysm, the epitome of linearity and depthlessness, has lost 2 million so far), leveling was much less linear and took a great deal more time to explore the world in search of quests and the like.

Even still, there has never been a period of WoW where you could simply have someone power level you to nearly level cap. That's broken and it's not fun, and mark my words-- it will go away before 2.0. You're daft if you think new players coming in at 2.0 are going to want to stick around when they find out this game is so shallow that the leveling method of choice is actually to have someone else play the game while you sit around and do nothing.i

[Xoo]

I think if you cant figure out how to play any job in this game from 40-50 then there is a major user error, none of the classes are difficult to play so I really wouldn't use that as ammo for the discussion. Before Plvling people only partied in the fastest most efficient leve parties. You would rarely if ever see any grind party. After PL came along is when grinding became an option, I see grind parties form up all the time now while hanging in Uldah, sure there is still PL parties that go on but most of that is done in LS.

I remember those god-awful leve parties. Of course, they weren't really a static method of EXP until the 40's, where people typically would grind before then.

Do you realize how quickly and effortlessly you can get from 40-50 these days? If you're in the right group, people at higher levels carry you there in literally a few hours, further accentuating the game's ease and the lack of necessity in knowing what to do and when.

[Ramis]

There is a major problem with being PL'ed, I'm sure like most player you get pissed off if some players is not doing their JOb right, Expecially in endgame situations. When your being PL'ed all the time you don't use your skills all the time... or perfect how to play your character.

And in XIV there are so many more options to improve your character. There are also tons of people out there that or gearists, 'subjobists', and they excpect you to for sure know how to play your character the right way. I read the comments how you personally can figure out how to "BE THE BEST" at your job in a matter of minute, but for most people playing there is a learning curve to some degree. BEsides why even play the game if all you want to do is blow right through the lvls. YOu get to endgame stuff quicker... Big Effing WHOOOP... now you will lather, rinse, repeat on a daily basis for the next 2 years+ and/or hope that the dev's come up with more content for you to speed through again.

[Krausus]

There is a major problem with being PL'ed, I'm sure like most player you get pissed off if some players is not doing their JOb right, Expecially in endgame situations. When your being PL'ed all the time you don't use your skills all the time... or perfect how to play your character.

And in XIV there are so many more options to improve your character. There are also tons of people out there that or gearists, 'subjobists', and they excpect you to for sure know how to play your character the right way. I read the comments how you personally can figure out how to "BE THE BEST" at your job in a matter of minute, but for most people playing there is a learning curve to some degree. BEsides why even play the game if all you want to do is blow right through the lvls. YOu get to endgame stuff quicker... Big Effing WHOOOP... now you will lather, rinse, repeat on a daily basis for the next 2 years+ and/or hope that the dev's come up with more content for you to speed through again.

I would rather lather, rinse, repeat endgame content than leveling. Next patch they are adding 2 new dungeons, patch after that another primal and hamlets at the least. Why would I want to spend all my time killing the same mobs to gain another level (which is just climbing your way to the end game content). You talk about all you have to do at 50 is the endgame over and over. All you are doing is the level grind over and over at least endgame has people and rewards.

[Ramis]

And that maybe rewarding for you and that is good. And I know there are alot of people who feel that same why. But there are also alot of people like me who feel the grinding through the lvls and learning the whole time is fun and rewarding. Sure i was to do the endgame stuff and get the cool gear, but on this game the reworkings will be complete in 2013, and other than the 2-4 dungeons/raids they are adding you are going to be waiting for more.

Thats one of the reasons WoW got so boring for me.. or Rift I would do the same 2-4 raids/dungeons over and over. They are super fun at 1st but after 20 times its like why am i still paying for this. So as i keep lvling they mobs change slightly, the area changes a little, and i can enjoy itand then move on. I guess it makes me feel like i am getting my moneys worth.
(Just my opinion)

[Krausus]

And that maybe rewarding for you and that is good. And I know there are alot of people who feel that same why. But there are also alot of people like me who feel the grinding through the lvls and learning the whole time is fun and rewarding. Sure i was to do the endgame stuff and get the cool gear, but on this game the reworkings will be complete in 2013, and other than the 2-4 dungeons/raids they are adding you are going to be waiting for more.

Thats one of the reasons WoW got so boring for me.. or Rift I would do the same 2-4 raids/dungeons over and over. They are super fun at 1st but after 20 times its like why am i still paying for this. So as i keep lvling they mobs change slightly, the area changes a little, and i can enjoy itand then move on. I guess it makes me feel like i am getting my moneys worth.
(Just my opinion)

And I certainly respect that, I guess if you look at it they are the same thing, grinding the level portion of the game or end game, still grinding either way.