To all the flames on primal datacenter...

[Dimitrii]

Its because Mael will attack Adders and Flames ALWAYs come to take advantage of it. They never push themself, they make MAel do it for them.

Maelstrom sees adders as the bigger threat or at least they used to up until recently. In that sense its true in the past flames were able to capitalize on that by knowing that, unless nodes dictate otherwise, maelstrom would generally choose to attack adders over flames since they didnt view flames as much of a threat. This isnt so much the case anymore since adders seem to have fallen some and flames have risen in the past week or so though. Besides adders used to be pretty notorious for trying to spawn camp and farm kills on the last place team so you cant be surprised when they start relishing the opportunity to pincer you or start exhibiting a fixation on you match after match. There's a reason that GC used to be viewed as a bunch of snakes and it has nothing to do with their logo lol.

[RiceisNice]

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On my end, I'm seeing an increasing amount of players who that don't listen to calls or make terrible calls over mine, either getting us 0 points at the end of throwing a 300 point lead. It's never opportunistic to make a spawn camp call on the team that's last place since it's not a lot of points incoming, or for the matter causing the point transfer where it actually matters.

Other than that, most of the time we get attacked anyway it's the closest node or opportunistic, regardless of if we have 1 or 2, but there are some off games where one of them fixates us for really no reason.

[Farrell]

Great way to kill pvp for people that want to try it out. 24 vs 48 all game every game because they are wearing the wrong gang colors. I literally haven't seen a game all week where flames ever do anything but what you are describing with the spawns. Amazing way to troll people, turning a grind to 50 into something that will take over a year.

[Februs]

Great way to kill pvp for people that want to try it out. 24 vs 48 all game every game because they are wearing the wrong gang colors. I literally haven't seen a game all week where flames ever do anything but what you are describing with the spawns. Amazing way to troll people, turning a grind to 50 into something that will take over a year.

You'd have to barely ever PvP for it to take that long. Challenge log by itself should get you at least a level a week, maybe a little less after you reach level 40.

That being said, I get what you mean. I think a BIG part of the problem is the way the ques slot people together. The other night, I had to stop PvP'ing because I was being consistently slotted onto the exact same team every round. 90% of them were noobs, and not a single one of them were listening to the few people who actually knew what they were doing. So, instead of fighting the match, they took to chasing whichever team they got into it with first, and stayed fighting them the entire round. It was awful. After my 3rd match straight of being in 3rd place and getting the exact same names in the alliance every single time I flipped table and did some leveling on another class.

DF seems to lock people together. The same people finish the match at the same time, re-que, and get stuck with each other again, probably fighting the same enemies again. So, if you get into a match with the supertards, you're suddenly stuck with them for the next 2 or 3 matches, and are basically repeating the same match over and over.

The reason this I bring this up, is because it's a bigger problem for the Flames. I'd wager that our noob/indifferent/casual player base outnumbers our experienced player base 10-1 (hence why our ques are so damn fast most of the time). The odds of you getting stuck fighting against/or with (which is worse, trust me) the supertards are much higher than with the other two GC's, because the DF bundles them together and they get stuck together for a string of matches until some of them finally get tired of it and just quit for the night.

[RiceisNice]

DF seems to lock people together. The same people finish the match at the same time, re-que, and get stuck with each other again, probably fighting the same enemies again. So, if you get into a match with the supertards, you're suddenly stuck with them for the next 2 or 3 matches, and are basically repeating the same match over and over.

And to make things worse, when you try to queue as a party, it just exasperates the queue times even more

[Farrell]

@Februs I keep hearing about how casual the Flames base is, but I see them winning pretty often. I have over fifteen games played this week already and not a single win to show for it. I think there has been a lot of shifting around of the each gc really is, even if the preconceived notions remain. I get what you are saying about being stuck with the same people though, I see the sames names all the time.

[Dimitrii]

Flames have definitely been relishing the role of spoilers lately. I've seen some of these clowns actually /dance on us cause they know they directly cost us the match knocking us from first to second lol. At the same time we have also reaped the benefits of their actions sometimes so it is what it is. Nothing you can do about it as long as they keep pumping out 3 way formats.

[Februs]

Flames have definitely been relishing the role of spoilers lately. I've seen some of these clowns actually /dance on us cause they know they directly cost us the match knocking us from first to second lol. At the same time we have also reaped the benefits of their actions sometimes so it is what it is. Nothing you can do about it as long as they keep pumping out 3 way formats.

That's kind of funny lol. I've only ever done a jig at the end of a match if we won it, but I will admit that I do occasionally wave at players from other GC's, though. It's not out of spite. It's usually in those awkward moments when you see someone staring at you from a ways off, the lone defenders left behind, and you know neither of you are gonna attack each other because there'd be no point; so, I just wave at em'.

I've actually spent a whole node timer swapping emotes with a Brd from Mael cuz' the two of us had nothing better to do at the time. Was very friendly. I kinda felt bad about having to kill her later, though... RNG forced my hand. Felt dirty... gave her a weep emote after, hoping she didn't take it personal lol.

[C00KIE_M0N57R]

despite what people are saying, flames generally do fine in pvp. my 1st place win rates are usually 30-50% every week with a minimum of 30 matches per week. It really comes down to good leadership; people can argue that spamming macros with sounds in chat won't work in directing people. However the data speaks for itself; People who are more map aware spamming macros to the alliance have a higher win ratio then those who just do their own thing.

[Dimitrii]

All three GC on primal are pretty mediocre atm. There is no dominant GC right now like in the past.