To all the flames on primal datacenter...

[Februs]

Great way to kill pvp for people that want to try it out. 24 vs 48 all game every game because they are wearing the wrong gang colors. I literally haven't seen a game all week where flames ever do anything but what you are describing with the spawns. Amazing way to troll people, turning a grind to 50 into something that will take over a year.

You'd have to barely ever PvP for it to take that long. Challenge log by itself should get you at least a level a week, maybe a little less after you reach level 40.

That being said, I get what you mean. I think a BIG part of the problem is the way the ques slot people together. The other night, I had to stop PvP'ing because I was being consistently slotted onto the exact same team every round. 90% of them were noobs, and not a single one of them were listening to the few people who actually knew what they were doing. So, instead of fighting the match, they took to chasing whichever team they got into it with first, and stayed fighting them the entire round. It was awful. After my 3rd match straight of being in 3rd place and getting the exact same names in the alliance every single time I flipped table and did some leveling on another class.

DF seems to lock people together. The same people finish the match at the same time, re-que, and get stuck with each other again, probably fighting the same enemies again. So, if you get into a match with the supertards, you're suddenly stuck with them for the next 2 or 3 matches, and are basically repeating the same match over and over.

The reason this I bring this up, is because it's a bigger problem for the Flames. I'd wager that our noob/indifferent/casual player base outnumbers our experienced player base 10-1 (hence why our ques are so damn fast most of the time). The odds of you getting stuck fighting against/or with (which is worse, trust me) the supertards are much higher than with the other two GC's, because the DF bundles them together and they get stuck together for a string of matches until some of them finally get tired of it and just quit for the night.

[RiceisNice]

DF seems to lock people together. The same people finish the match at the same time, re-que, and get stuck with each other again, probably fighting the same enemies again. So, if you get into a match with the supertards, you're suddenly stuck with them for the next 2 or 3 matches, and are basically repeating the same match over and over.

And to make things worse, when you try to queue as a party, it just exasperates the queue times even more

[Farrell]

@Februs I keep hearing about how casual the Flames base is, but I see them winning pretty often. I have over fifteen games played this week already and not a single win to show for it. I think there has been a lot of shifting around of the each gc really is, even if the preconceived notions remain. I get what you are saying about being stuck with the same people though, I see the sames names all the time.

[Februs]

@Februs I keep hearing about how casual the Flames base is, but I see them winning pretty often. I have over fifteen games played this week already and not a single win to show for it. I think there has been a lot of shifting around of the each gc really is, even if the preconceived notions remain. I get what you are saying about being stuck with the same people though, I see the sames names all the time.

Oh, I never said that they have a poor winning record, but that doesn't mean we don't have an extremely casual player base. I end most of my weeks with a fairly even split of 1st/2nd/3rd place. I usually average anywhere between 30% to 40% 1st, but that's because of the efforts of the few vets that are mixed in with the crowd.

As it is now, we are approximately 85% noobs/casual/or plain indifferent players. They either don't know what they're doing or just blatantly don't care. Within that 85% (probably as low as 1-5% of them) there are pessimists that (for whatever reason) actively try to get the team to admit defeat and give up the exact second something bad or unfavourable happens. We're talking about 80% of our player base who are prone to not watch the chat box and chase without any thought or strategy (which is why people see Flames do seemingly bizarre and blatantly stupid things, like power focus one GC with a vengeance, for example).

The last ~20% are seasoned vets who can really work the maps. These are the few players who save my bacon most of the time, and probably make life hell for their opponents. It just takes a nearly ceaseless set of reminders in the chat box to keep the rest of the causal players focused. If no one is trying to keep them on point, it's utter anarchy. Without at least one person in spamming macros or offering good leadership, the noobs take over and everyone splits up. It becomes every man for themselves. We're sooner to compete against each other than we are against our real opponents.

[C00KIE_M0N57R]

despite what people are saying, flames generally do fine in pvp. my 1st place win rates are usually 30-50% every week with a minimum of 30 matches per week. It really comes down to good leadership; people can argue that spamming macros with sounds in chat won't work in directing people. However the data speaks for itself; People who are more map aware spamming macros to the alliance have a higher win ratio then those who just do their own thing.

[Dimitrii]

All three GC on primal are pretty mediocre atm. There is no dominant GC right now like in the past.

[RiceisNice]

All three GC on primal are pretty mediocre atm. There is no dominant GC right now like in the past.

It's swinging back an fourth around. I haven't done too many mid-week queues, but this week adders have been consistently strong, losing only because of maelstupid (lately anyway, they've been giving me more frustrations/headscratching than flames the past 2 weeks) and RNG riding the hell out of flames.

[Jxnibbles]

I wonder whats wrong with adders lately seem so unorganized. Hell you guys get bullied by storm we try to hit them from behind and in return you guys let them win by you focusing us. Letting storm have 4 nodes. Adders Tunnel vision is real this week ;-;

[VitalSuit]

I wonder whats wrong with adders lately seem so unorganized. Hell you guys get bullied by storm we try to hit them from behind and in return you guys let them win by you focusing us. Letting storm have 4 nodes. Adders Tunnel vision is real this week ;-;

Last match I played we let Flames win by sandwiching mael due to them attacking us in the same fashion when we were busy fighting off flames. Mael went from 760 points to around 650 and Flames won. We still came in 3rd but if you're gonna screw us even harder like that we're gonna retaliate. That being said I can't seem to get any wins recently or I'm just queuing at the wrong times. I've been sitting at 50-60 wins for that damn coat for like 2 weeks.

[ScarletCrusader]

Just had the entire flame team spawn camp Adder base. Ayyyy (Mael Won by 400 pts)