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    Player Violette's Avatar
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    Eonkhui Malaguld
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
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    2mins 30s with the new blood weapon as opposed to 2mins 12s of eld.

    As for scaling, the reason that SS on blm is more highly favoured regardless is because more hits = more chance to crit. More chances to crit => crit being more worth while and more dependable as a high damage modifier. That being said, as det is now 1-1-1 with SS and Crit, SS is still king, crit/det is running in at ROUGHLY the same value. However, given det scales linearly and crit scales with a negative modifier (each point of crit is less effective than previous point), even with SS counteracting that (each SS point is more effective dps wise than the previous) it's something like SS >det >(just) crit, but the math will be out soonish

    The SS modifier on damage isn't as high as people think, it's simply there to make the stat not dead on summoners and bards. Look at the mch stat weights, they only value SS at 0.02, as opposed to the 0.14-16 of crit/det.
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    Naomi Enami
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Violette View Post
    2mins 30s with the new blood weapon as opposed to 2mins 12s of eld.

    As for scaling, the reason that SS on blm is more highly favoured regardless is because more hits = more chance to crit. More chances to crit => crit being more worth while and more dependable as a high damage modifier. That being said, as det is now 1-1-1 with SS and Crit, SS is still king, crit/det is running in at ROUGHLY the same value. However, given det scales linearly and crit scales with a negative modifier (each point of crit is less effective than previous point), even with SS counteracting that (each SS point is more effective dps wise than the previous) it's something like SS >det >(just) crit, but the math will be out soonish

    The SS modifier on damage isn't as high as people think, it's simply there to make the stat not dead on summoners and bards. Look at the mch stat weights, they only value SS at 0.02, as opposed to the 0.14-16 of crit/det.
    My post was before knowing about the BW changes. Still, Skill Speed will still manage to make BW a TP loss instead of the slight TP gain at 0 Skill Speed.

    Your BLM stat priority is VERY old. Spell speed stopped being "king" and lost favor to Determination with the 2.3 potency changes BLM got, their stat priority became Det >= SS > Crit. Only reason you'd go for Spell speed over Det was due to gear having more spell speed than determination pre-3.0. Check this resource. Too bad he's not updating it anymore.

    With 3.0 changes to ratio of determination in gear and to crit as a stat. With the addition of Ley Lines, BLM stats are probably DET > Crit >= SS.

    Also crit doesn't scale with a negative modifier. Each and every point of crit adds 0.0232558%. Yes, the more points you have is less of an increase in DPS compared to previous points, but that can be said about all stats (WD, Main stat, Det and Crit) with SS being the exception.

    According to Dervy's analysis page, Skill/Spell speed affects DoT multiplicatively as it is multiplied as a "buff" into the damage formula. So I can safely assume SS affects DoTs better than Determination... at least past a certain Threshold.
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    Zorthos Dominatus
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    Just basing it off my experience. Again not saying no one is right or wrong just it's the difference I personally see amongst the different stats. Personally for me as a secondary ss works out well for what I'm doing.
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    Aeres Silverfox
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    Tiamat
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    I don't do the math and all that nitty gritty stuff. But, the way i gear my DRK is simple.
    Pick gear with accuracy, critical hit or determination.
    Minimise parry.
    Works for me. I am now at 573 accuracy, 692 critical hit, 367 determination. Without food.
    This has taken me through A1S (cleared) at the moment.
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