DRK - SS vs Det ?

[Sapphidia]

The higher your sustain the more consent dps you do since it's 100% increase Vs crit being a low chance of maybe doing higher dmg.

No. No no. This is just a fallacy and the wrong way of thinking. You have to average stuff out over time. Yes, Det increases every hit and Crit might only increase 10% of your hits, but if the Det you have only increases every hit by 1% then the crit will be better.

You cannot say "det/sks is better because crit is only a chance". You have to have exact figures. 10% crit chance at +50% bonus is a 5% increase in damage, period (I'm not sure on what the actual crit damage of this would be, just for the sake of example). If the same amount of Det were to increase your damage by less than 5%, the crit would be the better choice.

[Phoenicia]

No. No no. This is just a fallacy and the wrong way of thinking. You have to average stuff out over time. Yes, Det increases every hit and Crit might only increase 10% of your hits, but if the Det you have only increases every hit by 1% then the crit will be better.

You cannot say "det/sks is better because crit is only a chance". You have to have exact figures. 10% crit chance at +50% bonus is a 5% increase in damage, period (I'm not sure on what the actual crit damage of this would be, just for the sake of example). If the same amount of Det were to increase your damage by less than 5%, the crit would be the better choice.

Crit now increases chance AND damage by the same percentage. SO if you have enough to increase chance by 10%, your crit damage also increased by 10%. Base chance is 4.95% and base crit damage is 145%.

I then tested identical tier foods one with crit other with ss at the same max lvl. Crit was still 10% but with SS I gained ~120 dps. Why? With the new change to SS effecting DoT's was a massive boost...Salt the earth and scourge both increased by 20dps alone...that's 40 combined

I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that food alone increased your DPS by as much as 120. Food doesn't provide 10% of our total stats increase as much as it would increase your DPS by over 15%. At most I would think food is 3~5% increase.

Also, DRK has severe TP issues, adding skill speed will only mean you won't even parse for 2m45s. You will probably floor at 2 minutes flat.

[Violette]

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2mins 30s with the new blood weapon as opposed to 2mins 12s of eld.

As for scaling, the reason that SS on blm is more highly favoured regardless is because more hits = more chance to crit. More chances to crit => crit being more worth while and more dependable as a high damage modifier. That being said, as det is now 1-1-1 with SS and Crit, SS is still king, crit/det is running in at ROUGHLY the same value. However, given det scales linearly and crit scales with a negative modifier (each point of crit is less effective than previous point), even with SS counteracting that (each SS point is more effective dps wise than the previous) it's something like SS >det >(just) crit, but the math will be out soonish

The SS modifier on damage isn't as high as people think, it's simply there to make the stat not dead on summoners and bards. Look at the mch stat weights, they only value SS at 0.02, as opposed to the 0.14-16 of crit/det.

[Phoenicia]

2mins 30s with the new blood weapon as opposed to 2mins 12s of eld.

As for scaling, the reason that SS on blm is more highly favoured regardless is because more hits = more chance to crit. More chances to crit => crit being more worth while and more dependable as a high damage modifier. That being said, as det is now 1-1-1 with SS and Crit, SS is still king, crit/det is running in at ROUGHLY the same value. However, given det scales linearly and crit scales with a negative modifier (each point of crit is less effective than previous point), even with SS counteracting that (each SS point is more effective dps wise than the previous) it's something like SS >det >(just) crit, but the math will be out soonish

The SS modifier on damage isn't as high as people think, it's simply there to make the stat not dead on summoners and bards. Look at the mch stat weights, they only value SS at 0.02, as opposed to the 0.14-16 of crit/det.

My post was before knowing about the BW changes. Still, Skill Speed will still manage to make BW a TP loss instead of the slight TP gain at 0 Skill Speed.

Your BLM stat priority is VERY old. Spell speed stopped being "king" and lost favor to Determination with the 2.3 potency changes BLM got, their stat priority became Det >= SS > Crit. Only reason you'd go for Spell speed over Det was due to gear having more spell speed than determination pre-3.0. Check this resource. Too bad he's not updating it anymore.

With 3.0 changes to ratio of determination in gear and to crit as a stat. With the addition of Ley Lines, BLM stats are probably DET > Crit >= SS.

Also crit doesn't scale with a negative modifier. Each and every point of crit adds 0.0232558%. Yes, the more points you have is less of an increase in DPS compared to previous points, but that can be said about all stats (WD, Main stat, Det and Crit) with SS being the exception.

According to Dervy's analysis page, Skill/Spell speed affects DoT multiplicatively as it is multiplied as a "buff" into the damage formula. So I can safely assume SS affects DoTs better than Determination... at least past a certain Threshold.

[Zorthos]

Just basing it off my experience. Again not saying no one is right or wrong just it's the difference I personally see amongst the different stats. Personally for me as a secondary ss works out well for what I'm doing.

[AeresSilverfox]

I don't do the math and all that nitty gritty stuff. But, the way i gear my DRK is simple.
Pick gear with accuracy, critical hit or determination.
Minimise parry.
Works for me. I am now at 573 accuracy, 692 critical hit, 367 determination. Without food.
This has taken me through A1S (cleared) at the moment.