Spiritbonding Heavensward crafting accessories...

[Geryth]

I made a set of crafting accessories to spiritbond:

Holy Cedar Ring (x2) = Level 52 iLevel 70
Yeti Fang Earrings = Level 52 iLevel 70
Holy Cedar Armillae = Level 53 iLevel 80
Holy Cedar Necklace = Level 54 iLevel 90
Holy Rainbow Apron = Level 54 iLevel 90

I can't freakin find out what mobs increase spiritbonding progress on these items. I tried: Level 59 mobs, Level 54-56 mobs, Level 50-52 mobs (HW mobs), Level 48-50 mobs (ARR), and level 50 dungeon mobs (Castrum Meridianum). All items are still at 1% bond that it defaults to when first used, and for each test I killed about 10 mobs.

Please please don't tell me that we can't spiritbond HW crafting accessories through battle...

[ServerCollaps]

its probably faster to spiritbond ilvl 10-30 stuff, if you are looking for t1+2 materia.

[JillyBean]

I have had several people tell me that you cannot SB HW crafting/gathering gear outside of crafting and gathering. If you try to do it in combat it will sit at 1%.

[Geryth]

its probably faster to spiritbond ilvl 10-30 stuff, if you are looking for t1+2 materia.

I'm actually looking for IV's.

I have had several people tell me that you cannot SB HW crafting/gathering gear outside of crafting and gathering. If you try to do it in combat it will sit at 1%.

From the looks of it, this appears to be true. I figured since I went ahead and made a set, I may as well go through to see what it's like. Since I'm actually crafting to SB, I also made an entire set except for MH and OH, so I'm SB'ing 11 items at once. I spent a long time just farming crap to craft, which in this case was dark chestnut logs so I could quick synth spam dark chestnut lumber. I farmed 500 NQ logs (and also got 105 HQ in the process), and I quick synthed 100 dark chestnut lumber (5 logs to 1 lumber). I did this with a spiritbond potion active, and my gear progressed to 34% spiritbond.

So basically, in order to spiritbond crafting gear, you're going to have to craft 300 items (with a spiritbond potion active). This means you'll have to farm/gather/buy 1500 items because most of heavensward single or two mat crafts take 5 items (6 in some cases like mythrite nuggets), so 300*5=1500. And that's just the raw mats, don't forget your crystals! It's 3 or 4 crystals per craft (4 in the case of dark chestnut lumber), so 4*300 = 1200 crystals. So you need to gather or buy a total of 2700 items in order to spiritbond a set of heavensward crafting gear.

Yeah no thanks, the better option buy FAR is still to craft 45-50 ARR items and go spiritbond them through battle somewhere like Urth's Gift (where I see some gil farming bots doing just that RIGHT NOW on Mateus).

SE - wasn't the whole issue with leveling crafting at Heavenward release that people were still doing ixals + Saint Coinach leves to level at 50+, so that it was nerfed so people had to level in Heavenward by doing Heavensward content? Wasn't it a real problem that people were grinding FATEs in Northern Thanalan well into their 50's because heavenward FATEs just simply didn't offer enough EXP reward for the time, and again you wanted people doing Heavensward content so you buffed FATE exp? That's the EXACT SAME PROBLEM right now with crafting materia. It's WAY better to obtain them by crafting ARR items and SB'ing them in ARR areas.

It's way more effort to SB crafting materia in Heavensward gear - so it would make sense to me that you should make similar changes in regards to SB'ing Heavensward crafting items.

PS. Since I'm 1/3 of the way there and I have no other use for these items I'm going to go ahead and finish it out, and I'll let you know what kind of materias I got for my efforts.

[Ayerinn]

I have had several people tell me that you cannot SB HW crafting/gathering gear outside of crafting and gathering. If you try to do it in combat it will sit at 1%.

This is true, doesn't work killing mobs unless it is battlecraft gear - I craft/equip HQ crafting belt/neck/earring/bracer socketed with a materia and go pick something useful in a HW zone with the +3 rings and spirit bond potion.

[Geryth]

I've found that Cedar Lumber/Logs give the exact same SB progress on all items as the dark chestnut lumber. Very interesting. I also verified however that pre-HW items do NOT increase SB progress on my heavensward items (tested on level 41 Basilisk Whetstones and also on level 50* Spruce Lumber).

So if we're looking at the least amount of effort involved, I think it actually would be Mythrite Nugget --> Mythrite Rivets:
5 Mythrite Sand, 1 Mythril Ore = 750 Mythrite Sand and 150 Mythril Ore and to make 150 Mythrite Nuggets. 1 Mythrite Nugget = 1 Mythrite Rivet so you can then go 150 Mythrite Rivets to get 300 crafts for the full SB, and you've used 900 gathering items + 900 ice crystals for a total of 1800 items, opposed to the 2700 I need if I was doing it all with Dark Chestnut Lumber, or the 2400 I would use if doing it all with Cedar Lumber.

That's a lot of freakin effort still. Maybe I should wait until item conversion yields V materias? But these are item level 70-90 items so they probably wouldn't or extremely rarely would give V materias. Still feel like it's much easier to get IV materias by crafting ARR items and SB'ing in Urth's Gift or something...

[KinnisonArc]

I heard spiritbonding the accessories you mentioned have low chance for grade IV and more on grade II. If you want to SB something with better chance for grade IV, the lv55 NQ Ramie set from Moghome is recommended or much better if you can craft HQ of the same thing.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

If I'm going to go for III's and IV's, I'm going to buy gear in Mor Dhona and make stuff. Preferably something that can then be turned in for a Leve, to help recoup some of the cost.

[Aeyis]

That's a lot of freakin effort still.

Actually if you went through the trouble to farm 500~ of an item:
With double melded on level 55 equipment it takes roughly 600-700 items to fully spiritbond iirc.

Yeah no thanks, the better option buy FAR is still to craft 45-50 ARR items and go spiritbond them through battle somewhere like Urth's Gift (where I see some gil farming bots doing just that RIGHT NOW on Mateus).

I dont get this. Even before HW Urths fount was a terrible choice because it offered no item drops at all. Now its an even worse choice since lvl 55 equipment has a waaaaaay higher rate on tier IV's then lvl 50 items do.
You just have to gather to spiritbond.


Getting tier IV's is so ridiculously cheap and easy right now. (if you got a 50+ gatherer) But if people keep saying that the best way is ''still 47-50 gear and urths found'', then im not at all surprised people still keep the Tier IV prices at 100-200k+ (depending on server, naturally).


Because hell, thats some misinformation. Buy a set from moghome, go gather (meld them first if you care about your time somewhat) --------> $$

[Geryth]

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Have you read any of this post? I'm not after gathering materia, I'm after crafting materia. I have to GATHER in order to CRAFT to spiritbond for CRAFTING materia. And I have to GATHER ~1800 items (if I'm choosing the absolute easiest way to do it) in order to CRAFT something ~300 times with heavensward items.

If I AM only going after gathering materia, and I only have to gather ~700-900 items as you claim. . . well then! That's about TWICE as easy as it is to gather what I need to craft SB! And I'd hardly whine about that.


Here's why SB'ing ARR items for crafting materia through battle is easier:
1) It actually takes less effort to make the gear than it takes to make Heavensward gear
2) Once the items are made, I'm already ready to start fighting stuff to gain SB on ARR items. This will takes less than hour to complete. If I'm crafting heavensward items to gain SB, I have to gather at this point. And it's going to take me 2-3 hours to gather that much stuff at best. And then after they're gathered, I finally have to craft 300 things which takes time as well. I'm looking at ~4x the amount of effort in time to spiritbond crafting items in heavensward compared to spiritbonding ARR crafting items through battle.

Because hell, thats some misinformation.

I'm going through the process RIGHT NOW and I'm sharing my findings. Please show me where my misinformation is. Trust me, the WHOLE POINT of this thread is for me to learn how to do it better so I'd love for you to tell me! Tell me how long it takes YOU to gather enough mats to craft 300 heavensward items (including crystals! - and yes, I am doing that through Aetherial Reduction which is the best way to get them!). And then tell me how long it takes YOU to spiritbond ARR crafting items through battle (I can do it in under an hour!). Even if the conversion rate of IV's is way less for those 45-50 items than it is for the 52-55 items, I'd be hard pressed to believe that I wouldn't get more IV's doing the former because it would seem I can SB those items about 4 times faster - and I'm actually farming these to use, not to sell, so I'm certainly not wasting any effort getting lots of III's in the process as I plan to pentameld a set of gear at 60.

meld them first if you care about your time somewhat)

I knew that gear that's been melded SB's fater, but I thought that if you convert gear that's been melded then it has a high chance to turn into elemental resist materia. Is that not true anymore?