AST and the new Expert dungeons

[Mclyde]

I believe that's statistically impossible...





There's a colossal difference between the sustained healing output of AST and the other two healers. I played both AST and SCH at 60 with the same ilevel for a while: SCH can blow its mana on DPSing all it wants and it barely matters because they get 20% of it back every minute anyway, and with Bane, SCH DPS is actually pretty damn good.

AST, on the other hand, must conserve mana in case any emergency situations arise, and due to the weaker mana regen, the sustained healing just isn't anywhere near as potent.

I never said the contrary. I said that a lot of players actually don't play very well their sch or whm, so you can't expect them to handle a more difficult class as Astromancien. It's not that usual to see a sch or whm who uses Cleric stance in dungeon.
But some players manage to do well in dungeon with the min ilvl required as Astrologian. You have to take on board their results, not the ones of players in difficulties, cause they don't understand the potential of this job.

Astro has less healing power than his homologues. However... it's not a problem for everyone.
Just sayin' we have to be carefull regarding the forum's complaints.

[RichardButte]

It's not that usual to see a sch or whm who uses Cleric stance in dungeon.

If you mean while healing, then yes, that's awful.

But when a healer is in a good party and is sitting at mostly full mana, they should absolutely be jumping into CS and adding DPS to the fight.

However... it's not a problem for everyone.
Just sayin' we have to be carefull regarding the forum's complaints.

True, complaints will always be louder than they need to be.

But we've seen enough level-headed, analytical feedback from players running Savage who've played as both SCH and AST a while now and we've all come to the same conclusion: you generally CAN do it as an AST, but either of the other healers can do it safer, faster, and typically doing more damage on the side. You CAN, but why would you when it only puts more pressure on the other healer and the rest of your group?

I'm not worried about it, though. They fixed up warriors a while back to put them on par with PLD and I'm sure they'll do the same here.

Yoshi-P wanted to make sure that AST didn't have some crazy exploit that could be used to faceroll Savage on the first week, and I don't blame him in the least. I figure ASTs were going to wind up sitting Savage 1-4 out anyway (at least for world firsts). Let's see what Tues' patch brings us...

[Eudyptes]

It's not that usual to see a sch or whm who uses Cleric stance in dungeon.

Hang on, are you implying using CS in a dungeon is bad? Cause I spend more time in CS than out of it on my SCH, and I promise you it's not a bad thing.

[Erim-Nelhah]

If you mean while healing, then yes, that's awful.

But when a healer is in a good party and is sitting at mostly full mana, they should absolutely be jumping into CS and adding DPS to the fight.

Hang on, are you implying using CS in a dungeon is bad? Cause I spend more time in CS than out of it on my SCH, and I promise you it's not a bad thing.

I think you've both misunderstood him:

It's not that usual to see a sch or whm who uses Cleric stance in dungeon.

Bolded the important word. He said it in a wierd way, but what he said is basically that he rarely sees a healer using cleric stance in a dungeon.

--Erim Nelhah

[Mclyde]

I think you've both misunderstood him:



Bolded the important word. He said it in a wierd way, but what he said is basically that he rarely sees a healer using cleric stance in a dungeon.

--Erim Nelhah

Yep ! 'scuse me for my "english"