2 new dungeons ?

[Hyrist]

<snip>

People can criticize the content, an that's fair. But say that to those who've collected a full deck of Triple Triad cards and/or do tournaments regularly to go for the ones they haven't, and you're insulting their pastime.

Let's get something out of the way here - progression is a Grind. No matter how you spin it, the idea of working for a goal categorically qualifies it for being a 'Grind'. So no matter who's sensibilities you appeal to, you're going to have someone complain. This is what we got here. People asked for new, but when we got new, people complained about not enough old.

The more plates we keep asking SE to spin, the more plates are simply going to be dropped.

As far as catering to endgame... just look at those Alex Savage Clear numbers. They rate in the hundreds. at the lowest of floors. We don't need more distribution in endgame right now, we need more people interested in clearing what we have.

[Colorful]

snip

Insulting their pastime? I'm not saying the content doesn't have its place, it most definitely does, but the absurdity of the grind is what doesn't have its place. I've seen countless people complain about some of the crazy and unfair rules with NPC in TT, paired up with low drop rates. That's not exactly fun. It can be a grind without involving things like that.

If you're just looking at Savage, sure. But take a look at normal mode, almost 200,000 people have beat that.

[Hyrist]

Insulting their pastime? I'm not saying the content doesn't have its place, it most definitely does, but the absurdity of the grind is what doesn't have its place. I've seen countless people complain about some of the crazy and unfair rules with NPC in TT, paired up with low drop rates. That's not exactly fun. It can be a grind without involving things like that.

If you're just looking at Savage, sure. But take a look at normal mode, almost 200,000 people have beat that.

Here's the catch 22 there. If there wasn't those stalling tactics, they'd have their cards, be bored, complain that there's nothing to do and there's not enough 'content' in the game. Some people are going to complain and have genuine critsism, and some people are just griping as they eat up the content. Again, not all content is to appeal to all people: Good example is in Alex Normal vs Savage.

As far as Alexander Story - the 200k that cleared the 8 man raid for that? That's a bloody success story right there. Content tuned just right to make you move on your feet but not be punishing enough to push people away from it. However, it's also probably the reason why Savage is so underpopulated. People complete that, look at the rewards in Savage and go "Meh, not worth it. I'll upgrade my Esoterics in Void Ark"

I rotated what dungeons I did. Since raid consisted of clearing fcob in an hr on Tuesday nights, we kinda needed it.

Yes one dungeon will suck but hey, getting the "oh god this one" dungeons is part of the fun really xD.

Also if we follow your logic the patch could consist of 1 dungeon. Whole game could consist of 1 dungeon.

At least raid is quite a long project atm...

I was being facetious. I'm bemused by the idea that people complain about dungeons until they lose them, and then complain they don't have them. It's laughable how mixed and self-contradicting our player base is.

recycle dungeons...? D: But why...?

Have you ever done a hard mode? It's hardly 'recycled'. While it uses the same map, the map itself is changed, the boss encounters are different and it effectively plays like something completely new.

[seraseth]

If you're just looking at Savage, sure. But take a look at normal mode, almost 200,000 people have beat that.

Off topic: how/where do you see how many people have cleared content? I'm very curious!


On Topic: I don't get how anyone can consider HM's 'recycled' or 're-skins'. It's different layout, different trash, different bosses, different mechanics. The only thing reused is the art/theme (or skin :P)

[Daralii]

Off topic: how/where do you see how many people have cleared content? I'm very curious!


On Topic: I don't get how anyone can consider HM's 'recycled' or 're-skins'. It's different layout, different trash, different bosses, different mechanics. The only thing reused is the art/theme (or skin :P)

They showed a graphic during the stream.



The "having entered" is a weird quasi-mistranslation. The Japanese makes it very clear they're talking about kills.

[seraseth]

They showed a graphic during the stream.

Thanks

That's cool, though I was hoping it was a site or something where you could check all sorts of content.

[Moonleg]

The "having entered" is a weird quasi-mistranslation. The Japanese makes it very clear they're talking about kills.

Possibly the original Japanese means something like 'passed through', which becomes rather ambiguous if you're not familiar with the common terminology in the community.