PLD/DRK Crossclasses

[Phoenicia]

I'm indifferent on the larger point, but bad players are no reason to restrict abilities. Warrior has Raw Intuition, which will kill you WAY faster than B4B if you're stupid, yet we get that. There's really no argument there.

lol, I just imagined some bad WAR popping B4B and RI and getting rekt from 1 flank crit.

[rawker]

I'd rather cross thm on my pld for that swiftcast and surecast, though.

[Phel]

Adjust TP cost would be easier, but I think this idea more interesting.
If DRK keeps gladiator as a cross-class, and PLD keeps conjurer, it won't be any problem with those jobs' lore. PLD is a sword-fighter who uses white magic (so conjurer is necessary, but marauder is not really more pld related than lancer) and drk is a sword-fighter who uses dark magic (so gladiator is necessary, but marauder is not really more drk related than lancer).


No more TP problem, more OT dps, it solves many problems.
- Warriors are the default-OT in many players' opinion. As a warrior who prefer MT, I would be really happy if drk and pld OT effectiveness increase.
- Nore more TP problems, it will improve pld and drk dps for the long run. As a warrior, I don't have TP problem, I don't want to have Invig because I don't want spam overpower without compensation on trashs, it won't be fun at all. So why would I cry ?
- marauder's cross-skills are almost useless, so no reason to miss them.
- For the tanks who don't want to pex a lvl 34 lancer : so don't use B4B if you don't want to. Invigorate is a lvl 22 skill, and keen furry is a lvl 6 or 8 skill I guess. You can have them without too many efforts, and invigorate is still better than marauder's cross-skills.

And in my opinion, lancer's cross-skills would add fun to the gameplay, while adjust TP cost won't.

The only problem is the loss of mercy stroke... But as long as they don't let pld and drk use it every 40s, that's not a huge loss.

But, even I really like this idea, I don't think it will be possible, because of balance problems.

(and sorry for my english, I'm french)

[JMadFour]

omg no...Lancer is soooooooo boring....(imo). please don't force me to level it. one of my personal benefits of playing Tank Classes is that I don't have to level Lancer.

don't mind me, I'm just being selfish.

[Kydi]

Throwing a curveball into the ring, what about allowing PLD to cross with THM? It would give access to swiftcast and surecast, thereby assisting with being able to use clemency and stoneskin whilst MT, and would give access to Blizzard II for AoE damage (might need to get that scaling from something other than int though).

Add in a tp restore ability (perhaps 100tp restored for using clemency) and tweak damage a bit and it would be fairly well balanced (in my opinion).

[Freyyy]

Throwing a curveball into the ring, what about allowing PLD to cross with THM? It would give access to swiftcast and surecast, thereby assisting with being able to use clemency and stoneskin whilst MT, and would give access to Blizzard II for AoE damage (might need to get that scaling from something other than int though).

Swiftcast and Surecast on PLD would be cool for Clemency and all, but having a PLD using black magic would completely go against the idea of a "Paladin". And sacrificing Bloodbath, Mercy Stroke and Foresight (this one is shite but it's still something that exists), just to ease the use of Clemency is a very bad idea. They should just make Clemency a 2 sec uninterruptable cast time instead of what it is now.

I'm not a fan of the idea of bringing lancer to PLD and DRK. There's already enough jobs in this game that need to level lancer for B4B and Invigorate, it starts to be really redundant. Just give DRK and PLD a way to regenerate TP by themselves like Warriors got in 3.0. And Keen Flurry is worse than Foresight. I also don't want to see some bad tanks out there popping B4B while tanking a boss or a big trash pull and popping no defensive CD to compensate.

[Dreamlil]

I would like to see DRK having LNC instead of MRD.

In that way the settup will be BFB/Invigorate/Keen Flurry/Conva/Provoke

[Freyyy]

I would like to see DRK having LNC instead of MRD.

In that way the settup will be BFB/Invigorate/Keen Flurry/Conva/Provoke

So basically you want to trade both Foresight and Bloodbath for Keen Flurry. Foresight alone is better than Keen Flurry, and while Bloodbath may not be really noticeable (We tend to underestimate its effectiveness over time a lot tho) it still helps when tanking a single boss and is actually reliable while Keen Flurry is RNG and would just be a second Dark Dance with a longer CD (which is super crap).

Yeah you get B4B and Invigorate too. Seriously. Wanna see those crappy DRKs on DF who already don't know how to properly reduce damage, die even faster because they just popped B4B to do more damage ? I don't. And I don't think that we need B4B to have a good OT-DPS either, we're already pretty much on par with WAR with slashing debuff.

For Invigorate, I think that they should just give us a way to regain TP which is actually built on our job like it is on WAR instead of just giving us the possibility to cross-class lancer. Otherwise that would just be lazy from the developpers.