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    Player
    Galgarion's Avatar
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    Famine Cruor
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    Mateus
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Short answer: Yes. Long Answer: YES.

    Single target threat is the occasional power slash combo mixed in with your dps combo. That doesn't change, ever, except you get more off GCD attacks as you level.

    AOE threat for lower level dungeons is unleash spam. For higher levels it's abyssal drain spam.

    Surviving damage is mitigated through very standard paladin style cooldowns. No masterful timing needed as with inner beast. The damage output is respectable. The only challenge factor that separates a brown belt from a black belt is if you can maintain darkside for the entirety of a dungeon, but the job is so forgiving that you don't need to. It's just the standard that separates an average DK from a great one.

    TLDR: It's very difficult to be bad with a Dark Knight unless you're a complete goof.
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    Stouter Taru
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Warrior is easier to cheese through. Overpower spam then a couple flashes, then do nothing and wait for TP to regen for next pack.
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    Naomi Enami
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Warrior is easier to cheese through. Overpower spam then a couple flashes, then do nothing and wait for TP to regen for next pack.
    As a WAR, Steel Cyclone once or twice, Overpower once or twice then go AFK and come back when things are dead.
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    Ralvenom Mahlfusant
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
    As a WAR, Steel Cyclone once or twice, Overpower once or twice then go AFK and come back when things are dead.
    "Hey, healer, I'm not gonna worry about actually tanking well. I'll just grab aggro and forget about tank dps. Don't worry about it. My hp pool is great!" -- attitude I got out of that post

    Seriously, I would hate to have you tank WAR in an expert run. You'd be the idiot who never uses CDs.




    To actually answer OP's question, it's not really easier or harder to pull trash on any tank. /shrug
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    Naomi Enami
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralvenom View Post
    "Hey, healer, I'm not gonna worry about actually tanking well. I'll just grab aggro and forget about tank dps. Don't worry about it. My hp pool is great!" -- attitude I got out of that post

    Seriously, I would hate to have you tank WAR in an expert run. You'd be the idiot who never uses CDs.
    Well, the post made it sound that having aggro on an AoE pack is all of a tank's job and so DRK would be easy. I was only suggesting an "easier" job.

    Outside of that... As a tank on an expert duty finder group, I like to see that blue bar on my parser being at the top. So you'll find I'm one of those WARs that pop vengeance for the counter effect before mitigation if anything. lol
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    Ralvenom Mahlfusant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
    Well, the post made it sound that having aggro on an AoE pack is all of a tank's job and so DRK would be easy. I was only suggesting an "easier" job.

    Outside of that... As a tank on an expert duty finder group, I like to see that blue bar on my parser being at the top. So you'll find I'm one of those WARs that pop vengeance for the counter effect before mitigation if anything. lol
    Good!

    I just didn't want OP to get the idea that tank dps doesn't matter. Because it totally does.
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    Anima Soulcleanser
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    Adamantoise
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    Goldsmith Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Warrior is easier to cheese through. Overpower spam then a couple flashes, then do nothing and wait for TP to regen for next pack.
    this is the most absurd thing I've seen all day when we talk raids warrior is the most complex job it's sophisticated and used as such for multitasking dps and tanking and eating tank busters. There are 3 combos, there is proper Holmgang usage, there is yes, steel cyclone but to properly do all of this while effectively doing damage (700) in a raid is another story.. edit; now with decimate try a2 savage without a warrior dancing through stances not even mentioning fell cleave
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    Last edited by AnimaS; 08-21-2015 at 03:48 PM.

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    AI_wass's Avatar
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    Ire Works
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    If all you want to do is hold aggro and let mobs beat on you, sure. But then, every tank is easy if all you care about is holding aggro.
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    Seku Halvone
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by PogueX View Post
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    PLD and DRK play the same at lower levels. Just that Flash doesn't do damage. And yes, you should be spamming flash(about 3 times, more if you're out geared severely by your other PT members) then rotating through the mobs and hitting them with your enmity combo, more so the ones your DPS are focusing down. The only time this is difference is pre Rage of Halone, in which case spam flash and spam the Riot blade combo to get MP back ( it also does most damage until RoH). Level 50 is when DRK branches off and you need to start to worry about MP management.

    And PLD is easier in terms of staying alive and doing large pulls. But is harder in terms of keeping hate.
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    Last edited by Seku; 08-21-2015 at 03:40 PM.

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    Drtoxicmedica's Avatar
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    Tatsu Masumi
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    Malboro
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
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    Granted you don't have to manage your mp to hold threat you do have to use it to put out good dps. While a pld simply stops using halone and instead uses authority. Neither pld or dark have an excuse to run out of mp on aoe. The have tools to make that a none issue. Pld is just by far the easiest in all aspects. You have flash for aoe and your combos for ST. Dark has constant mp drain as well as more options to burn resources for more damage. Both are easy but you can't even try to argue pld is even remotely complicated or requires nearly the forsight both dark and warrior require comparitively.
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