It's Time To Wake up

[Fendred]

oh look, the bi-weekly "WAKE UP SHEEPLE!" thread got merged with the hourly "I h8 dis game :C" thread.

Oh look, the typical white knight comes to defend his perfect castle because someone dares to suggest its not really made of gold. Also passive aggressive trope.

[Malevicton]

Oh look, the typical white knight comes to defend his perfect castle because someone dares to suggest its not really made of gold. Also passive aggressive trope.

Typical blissfully unaware ironic passive aggressive trope? Or is that too specific to be a trope? Or is there not any passive to your aggression?

[Assirra]

Oh look, the typical white knight comes to defend his perfect castle because someone dares to suggest its not really made of gold. Also passive aggressive trope.

Everyone that uses the term white knight should be ignored.
At least come up with an argument instead of insulting people.

[SinisterJointss]

Everyone that uses the term white knight should be ignored.
At least come up with an argument instead of insulting people.

not to mention his insult made 0 sense because the person he quoted wasn't defending anything. Just point out "this thread again".

[Fendred]

not to mention his insult made 0 sense because the person he quoted wasn't defending anything. Just point out "this thread again".

Because opening the forum, seeing the thread title, and then thinking "oh this thread again" is different than doing all of the above followed by posting an "oh this thread again" comment, which implies he wants to share his annoyance by annoying other people.

[Alistaire]

You mean sepuku XD

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku

[dice137]

[Alberel]

There seem to be an awful lot of people in this thread with no idea what skill bloat is...

On my MCH I have three flat damage % cooldowns: Blood for Blood, Raging Strikes and Hawk's Eye. These three all do more or less the same thing and serve the same purpose. That means I am pressing three buttons (usually all at the same time) to do something that could easily be consolidated into one single button. That is skill bloat.

Rouse and Spur for SMNs is also skill bloat: two cooldowns that buff the pet, two cooldowns that do exactly the same thing and are almost always used together at the same time. Why not just combine the effects and give us one button to press?

Some jobs suffer from it far worse than others but skill bloat is a very real problem in this game. The real cause of it though seems to be the cross-class skill system in my opinion.

[SinisterJointss]

There seem to be an awful lot of people in this thread with no idea what skill bloat is...

On my MCH I have three flat damage % cooldowns: Blood for Blood, Raging Strikes and Hawk's Eye. These three all do more or less the same thing and serve the same purpose. That means I am pressing three buttons (usually all at the same time) to do something that could easily be consolidated into one single button. That is skill bloat.

Rouse and Spur for SMNs is also skill bloat

Rouse and Spur are two totally different skills lol (one is for scholar the other is for smn so they CANT be used together) One increases healing potency of your pet the other increases the magic damage. Im sure you can figure out which one goes with which.

On your mch you have BfB ( A lancer skill, Increases damage if cross class by 10% for drg 30%) Raging Strikes (Bard Skill that increases dmg by 20%) and Hawks Eye (Increases Dex 15% and guarantees all attacks land) How is that bloat? Its not. Give me more examples of bloat, I like shooting things down.

At least look at the abilities before you come guessing

Even though there are the typical narsisitic replies of, " YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME" or variations thereof that do nothing to advance the conversation other than assert that the poster is a special snowflake, there are plenty of people that bring up good points and better examples.



This guy gets it. Having multiple flat damage increase skills, multiple direct damage long cd skills (Trick attack is the only one that stands out as a useful utility) is boring. I know people are gonna find one specific example where some skill has a chance to shine, but I am sure many more can think of 99+ other times that its just another redundant skill that takes focus from gameplay to the action bars to watch when abilities are coming off CD.

That is the problem, when looked at individually, they don't seem like a big deal, but when classes have loads of these, it draws attention to the action bars needlessly. This is where addons can remedy some of it to help watch when cds come up, or the developers can realize that this detracts from gameplay and redesign skills to combine with other redundant skills.

There are 2 flat damage increase skills in the game -- Raging Strikes and bfb. Guess which classes have access to BOTH? Brd/Mch -- No other class has access to them both.

The melee's have access to internal release and bfb (two skills that do two different things) Sure they both increase damage in their own way but again, belong to two different jobs.


Also the fact that you say quelling strikes is useless or that nobody uses it just baffles me. Let a blm not use it during their burn ( on grouped trash or a boss, raid or dungeon) and watch them die.

[Ilenya]

Rouse and Spur are two totally different skills lol (one is for scholar the other is for smn so they CANT be used together) One increases healing potency of your pet the other increases the magic damage. Im sure you can figure out which one goes with which.

My SMN can use both Rouse and Spur. Rouse is an Arcanist skill, not a SCH skill.