When Friends, or you, become an Elitist.

[Eloah]

Whether this is your first MMO or not, we've all encountered Elitists, what fun, lol. Anyway I'm curious when you discovered that a friend you play with, or even possibly yourself, became or were becoming an Elitist?

I had a friend recently tell me that me that Elitists are born when players let gear get to their heads. Suddenly because you don't have the best gear you "suck" and they don't want to play with you. They can't tolerate the smallest of failures. And they complain if they aren't rewarded for being douches, lol

To be clear, everyone complains and gets frustrated at certain things, it's only natural. I'm referring to those people who have a sense of entitlement, that they are the very best and should be rewarded for everything they do.

So I'm curious, when did you notice someone turning into an Elitist, or when did you become one?

EDIT: Okay, some people have taken this post in different directions. I just wanted to clarify what I meant, when I said becoming and Elitist. While yes, individually, we all have our own levels of elitism, there is a definitive general connotation for the word,

Elitist: A person who believes that they are superior to others (and thus deserve favored status) because of their intellect, social status, wealth, or other factors.

This term can apply to both new and old players, nice or rude, though usually older, ruder players. I wasn't only refering to players at endgame content, with the best gear. I meant all players at any level. Whether that player is super nice and wants to be carried or super rude and doesn't wanna help newbs, doesn't matter, both feel entitled and are classified as Elitists.

I hope this clears some things up.

[Risvertasashi]

There are so many definitions the word might start competing with "hacker" for how meaningless it is.

That said I'm probably one. I try not to be a jerk. But if you're wiping to faust enrage on A1 normal, or standing in orbs and dying on the last Library boss for the 4th time now, or auto attacking on that CT boss, I'm probably venting somewhere.

[Saseal]

That said I'm probably one. I try not to be a jerk. But if you're wiping to faust enrage on A1 normal, or standing in orbs and dying on the last Library boss for the 4th time now, or auto attacking on that CT boss, I'm probably venting somewhere.

Same...

I can be pretty lengthily patient and chill with random people, new players and mistakes - shit happens, maybe they're lagging, maybe they got confused, maybe it was something off-screen on their end (people talking, etc), maybe they didn't know/no one told them a mechanic/skill, maybe they have an impediment (device, physical, mental, etc) - but when it's obvious they're either in "do not give a damn burn everything even if we die" mode, "I has a lazy", "the WHM will fix it so I don't need to dodge AoEs", being whiney/bossy/rude or just not caring to get it.... I'm probably growling at my monitor or venting quick one liners in FC chat... better believe I'm saying, "Are you people serious!? For pities sake!", at my monitor when people are still attacking during 5 headed's Heatwave and I've forced to maim myself to keep their sorry asses alive. *FLIPS TABLE*

If having no patience for people who should know better by now makes me an elitest, then I guess I am one. >_>

[AlphaFox]

I think crafters are more elitist than anyone, even if I bring all the mats and shards with the request of normal quality they want an absurd amount of gil. Least by the definition of wanting to be rewarded for everything :P

[Sapphic]

I think crafters are more elitist than anyone, even if I bring all the mats and shards with the request of normal quality they want an absurd amount of gil. Least by the definition of wanting to be rewarded for everything :P

When they ask how much when they bring me all the mats and shards/crystals, I tell them to tip me what they think its worth. More often than not they tip more than I expected. @ 50 for melding, I always carried a stack of grade 3. And I would give some to the person who needed the meld if they didnt have any, same again, left how much they gave upto them.

[scarebearz]

I'm referring to those people who have a sense of entitlement

There should be a name for people who go around the forums saying everything is "entitlement". xD

I think crafters are more elitist than anyone, even if I bring all the mats and shards with the request of normal quality they want an absurd amount of gil. Least by the definition of wanting to be rewarded for everything :P

Well if the craft you wanted is something like the Thav Dress, where the mats were costing something like 10mil+ to make and the crafted has to unlocked master book 3 to make them and gear up some, you should expect to pay a price proportionate to the cost of mats and MB value of the finished item. In the above example a crafter asking 500k for the craft would very reasonable in my opinion.

Far too many people think crafters magically unlock recipes and gear up without it costing anything (8 crafts geared and master books unlocked in 3.0 cost me around 120mil), so you should be able to tip them 5k for the highest tier crafts, this is not the case.

[AlphaFox]

Well if the craft you wanted is something like the Thav Dress, where the mats were costing something like 10mil+ to make and the crafted has to unlocked master book 3 to make them and gear up some, you should expect to pay a price proportionate to the cost of mats and MB value of the finished item. In the above example a crafter asking 500k for the craft would very reasonable in my opinion.

Far too many people think crafters magically unlock recipes and gear up without it costing anything (8 crafts geared and master books unlocked in 3.0 cost me around 120mil), so you should be able to tip them 5k for the highest tier crafts, this is not the case.

I am a crafter myself but if I bring items for the sake of building my airship and just cant easily make, or for the sake of not having the class leveled enough, I think a few 1000 gil is a good compensation, not frowning cus you wanted 10k+

[MeiUshu]

There should be a name for people who go around the forums saying everything is "entitlement". xD



Well if the craft you wanted is something like the Thav Dress, where the mats were costing something like 10mil+ to make and the crafted has to unlocked master book 3 to make them and gear up some, you should expect to pay a price proportionate to the cost of mats and MB value of the finished item. In the above example a crafter asking 500k for the craft would very reasonable in my opinion.

Far too many people think crafters magically unlock recipes and gear up without it costing anything (8 crafts geared and master books unlocked in 3.0 cost me around 120mil), so you should be able to tip them 5k for the highest tier crafts, this is not the case.

this is probably the most silly answer I have seen and read. If you decided to unlock a book 3 is your decision because you wanted it, wished it and desired it. I dont think that building a stuff that you do not have to put forth any effort other then beat on a hammer or needle or whatever, and asking INSANE amount of gils for that is just being greedy is all and people that pay for that are as silly, but then they have no choice other then pay if they want their stuff, it sounds like is a sort of blackmail is like to say *I can, you cant, if you want it you pay or go to hell* this kind of mentality is just unbelievable, especially if it is asked for something very specific.

It doesnt mean that because you can you should

Mei

[tjw]

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You know, this makes me question what kind of society you grew up in that you can point the finger at someone rendering you a service and blame them for your own incompetence 'because it's your decision to service me!'. PLENTY of people decide to advance, to push beyond the norm. That's what college and university is for. That's what academies for all different professions are there for. Do you think attending these institutes is just a walk in the park? No. You need to put the effort into learning. You need to pay. You need to sacrifice time to get that far.

And what is the end result they all strive for? TO MAKE MORE MONEY. To be above the norm, so they can be fulfilled when they are willing to put their services to use. Let us not forget that it's YOU as a consumer who WANTS their services and products. YOU want the high-end goods and services, YOU want luxuy, YOU want to be that special snowflake, but YOU aren't willing to put in that effort they did.

Why do you think a fast food burger is cheaper than a plate of wagyu beef with sides? Why do you think renting a room in an alley-way motel is cheaper than staying in the Four Seasons? Why do you think government lawyer attorneys seem to be worse than private lawyer corporations attorneys? Why do you think private schools charge so much for a number and a piece of paper at the end of a student's time?

Yes, crafting and gathering in-game is vastly different from an actual profession in the real world. But it's not just "beat on a hammer or needle or whatever", which is what YOU see. Would YOU question the chef of the high-ranked restaurant, "Oh, all you did was smack on a piece of beef on the grill and put it on the plate!"? Would YOU go up to a hotel manager and berate them stating, "All you do is change bedsheets and charge exuberant prices on a Mars bar!"? Would you complain to a teacher that, "You just sit there and mark papers!"?

Because that's all YOU see as a consumer. YOU don't see the chef slave for years training at numerous cooking academies, suffering scathing remarks and burnt fingers. YOU don't see the hotel manager working up from being just a loader, and studying his Retail degree in order to work at such a position. YOU don't see the lawyer and teacher going to post-graduate studies to obtain even higher qualifications, paying for their time at the universities.

Just as YOU don't see the crafter behind the screen of their computer spending their time on levelling and gearing their crafting jobs to 60. Just as YOU don't see the crafter desperately fight on the markets for expensive materials or spend time and effort in farming which requires more effort spent on a battle or gathering class. Just as YOU don't see them exasperated at having missed that one hour in-game slot to get an item, or botch their 6th synthesis in a row due to RNG.

No, all YOU see is them "beat on a hammer or needle or whatever" and an item comes out. And guess what? Even after all the explanation I've done, I doubt that YOU, as a consumer, even care. All YOU care about is getting what you want, at the lowest possible burden, resources and effort that you can expend. And I do not blame you for that, for it is the nature of a consumer. It's in the way you respect such a service or profession that separates you from a bad consumer and a good one.

Regardless to say, your behaviour is very childish and close-minded. Just as you said that just because they can put things at a higher price they feel reflects their effort and their expectations of being rewarded for such effort, you don't need to, on the CONSUMER side i.e. YOU, just because you want it doesn't mean you need it.

You call her answer silly. I call your reply sillier, even pathetic.

This is going into grounds that can't be napkin-mathed out, or be entirely quantified. I'll almost say this is a mix of a "Tragedy of the commons" and the "Everyone wants better, No One wants change" attitude that is prevalent amongst the common crowd nowadays. Someone more experienced in such areas of psychology would no doubt be better than me at explaining.

Just to clarify; I am not a crafter, nor am I a gatherer. On my main character, I barely broke 3 mil gil atm. However, I can see the effort that numerous of my FC mates are putting into their crafting and gathering classes, and I respect them for their dedication. That you can insult their dedication and effort and dismiss it as something common makes me mounmentally outraged, and apathetic to your opinion.

[Sakuraluna]

Snippety snip snip.

That person was replying to a crafter who replied to this:

I think crafters are more elitist than anyone, even if I bring all the mats and shards with the request of normal quality they want an absurd amount of gil. Least by the definition of wanting to be rewarded for everything :P

by calculating the price of mats into an item anyways and then stating that they should expect to be charged as such regardless of having already paid for/gathered up the mats themselves. And to that, yes, it's a silly demand. I don't mind tipping generously because I do respect the amount of work people put into leveling and gearing up their crafters, but I'm not about to be double-charged for something.