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  1. #21
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    RiceisNice's Avatar
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    Flo Fyloord
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    You realize it's bad game design, when this is the only answer people can come up with, right? After all, why design a game which actively encourages you to level multiple classes and then with the same hand punishes you for doing so.

    Anyway, while I don't think separate tomestones are the answer, I do agree that the cap is pretty annoying. At the very least the cap should be increased to a more worthwhile sum. Even a round 500 tomes would make gearing up less tedious for many players.
    Just because it's the "only answer" does not make it a flaw.

    You can gear up other classes anyway. It's called Allagan Tomestones of Law. The items were priced the way they were so that players won't get more than 1 piece of gear per week depending on their purchases. If you were that eager to gear up your classes, get drops from Savage. There is a line between gearing your main class and gearing your alternative classes.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    The game never actually encourages you to level multiple jobs to cap. In fact, you are never rewarded for doing so, only punished. The only way to properly gear/raid as 2 or more jobs in this game is to level an alt. You can gear up a second job eventually, but only after you've geared up your main job (unless you get really lucky and no one else plays your secondary job in your static).

    For dungeons, though, Law and Alex NM gear is fine. If you step beyond that, that's when you'll start having issues.
    People are using the term "punished" too loosely. Punished would be them having to pay currency to raid as a different job from their main. And even then, with locks outs and such, most groups won't ever branch out to get one individual that is gearing two different roles (nevermind the fact that first floors of savage doesn't require you to be in eso gear to begin with)
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 08-20-2015 at 07:49 AM.
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  2. #22
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    Nixxa's Avatar
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    Ayreon Athantos
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 80
    I think the people more up in arms about a lot of this are those that experienced FFXI, and how it dealt with gearing alt classes. FFXI let you play and gear classes similarly to FFXIV, but without the hitch of weekly lockouts and forcing you into a single role. On top of that the less noticed penalty (inventory space problems) was also mitigated with FFXIs version of the armiore which exchanged gear sets for moogle slips allowing you to store mass amounts of gear for minimal amounts of space, both of these things were in FFXIVs predecessor of over 12 years, yet they regressed to their current state with the release of SEs new flagship game FFXIV. So in FFXI the only limitations you had to gearing your classes was you and the time you could devote to the game/get people together to work towards the goal, I think people are just confused why a system that was already in place and well established in previous FF franchises was brought back in a state that is a bit more convoluted and doesn't offer the same freedom. Now I'm not saying FFXI is a great game, though I did enjoy the time I spent there, I just think that is where some of the discomfort is coming from.

    tldr: I guess in essence it comes down to horizontal/vertical progression and the differences each offers. In horizontal progression things take more time and lockouts aren't quite as necessary while with vertical progression your chasing each update so they need some way to hold the player base back so they don't get to far ahead.
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  3. #23
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    Adam Fylrmyn
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 80
    No thanks. I like the sheer convenience of having to collect only one type of tome for all the gear. Plus, you're not forced into doing content with just one role. Three tomes types is just overkill.
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  4. #24
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    I'''''l I'''''l
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    I want this idea, YES. Because... Many people will mindlessly say "Hey, because you have SO MUCH TIME... Do another character!..." (Sarcastic here, Some of us DON'T HAVE that much time)

    Others will go "You don't need full gear for peasant content.." WELL... I'd like to have very competitive tri-rol, not only my healers up, I HATE people bitching about "Wow! X dude can do 1300 DPS with his dragoon!" Well, I ... CAN'T because gear.


    Right now I'm just going like.... Healers first priority, casters second, basically because casters includes two dps instead of going either monk,drg or nin, that sadly can't share gear (Please, accessories don't even count as 'share gear' )

    Let's not even talk about the fact that... My healer's gear is not even shared at all now with eso.. D:...

    Gearing up is annoying for those who like to master all, gives us more options.... More esoterics cap based in our jobs, or stuff divided for jobs, etc (Hey! Like.... We can actually do guildhests for each job, right? Something like that, for gear)
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  5. #25
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    this only works if they block fending accesorys to tanks and slaysing to dps or the tank dps lovers can buy the rigth and left gear in only 1 month, or make a 4º type of tomestomes to buy accesorys but i dont think this happen anyway.
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