Wolves den 3. Something best classes.

[Yumi_umi]

I said majority lol, the fact that most smns have never smn in WD and think they r all that/ OP in FL is just lol gl.
The moment a smn steps into the arena any decent WD pvper knows that they r gonna have to harass the healer while breaking the enemy smn's LoS.
I healed WD a lot before and i rather take blms over smns any day as their sleep nuke is still 100x more valuable than a smn's dots.
Ofc there are good pvp smns but like i said the MAJORITY r terribad / trash and would die to an average melee dps harassing them. Once a smn dies they gotta use swiftcast or ur pretty much gonna get ccd / interrupted.

[Houston009]

I never said they were trash, i said far too much can go wrong with them and they offer little to the table outside of that pressure (aside from the new burst which obviously needs to be tested) and unlike other ranged dps, they have very little tank or peel

compared to most of the main comps, summoner is a really weak link in my opinion

They already had very good burst w/o Deathflare/Painflare, and as far as peeling Tri-Bind is an amazing peeling option, much better than (ex: ) Shadowbind.

The SMN being trash part was refering to the guy's comment above my previous post.

Alas, we have two different opinions on the matter, so no point in dwelling upon it any further.

[morerancor]

Should be interesting how it plays out, smn is going to be public enemy #1 unless your rolling with a very good healer they won't be up up long enough to matter.

[Yumi_umi]

And we all remember the time when everyone would zerg the poor blm.
Technically tho all of this wont matter as ur success rate heavily relies on how good ur healer.

Bad party with good healer will 8/10 times trump a good party with bad healer.

[Sunako]

It also depends on your comb synergy. Ast can be really good with blm because absorb do not interrupt casts. With SMN pld and whm can be the best choice because whm have sleep and paladin can cover weak summoner with their defensive skills. SCH can be the best with zerg cleave combo where you need spam 6x lustrate and try kill your opponent fast as possible. etc

[Holicccc]

Blackmage over summoner? I would never lol

[nickx]

I only hope den offers a wide variety of viable comps, and isn't plagued with simply one comp that outshines the rest. It's a serious problem in many other similar games, but hopefully Square keeps a watchful eye over it and makes tweaks where necessary.

[morerancor]

I only hope den offers a wide variety of viable comps,

I'm thinking the same thing. Although player skill will make every class viable there's going to be classes that standout. I'm going to try mch it has a ton of cc'd and good burst.

[Geologo]

SMN in WD are still very good, the worst part of their nerf was the removal of thee Heavy effect on disease (and the healing nerf from 50% to 20%, but I hated it more as SCH than as SMN) in my opinion.
The only problem with them is if your party break the only CC that thay have but there are 2 different scenarios:

1. Burst opposite healer.
In this scenario a lv50 smn isn't very good,

2. Healers are good runners
If the match last too long SMNs rule hard, cause their DoT will starto to kill the entire party and most of 1 time I putted dots on the non healer and then used Bane when he was close to refresh them and avoid to encouter in the damned LoS loss.

But at lv 60 as healer I would really fear enemies like WAR + SMN + NIN

If the WAR stun me I fear I'll die in less than 3 sec :/
And the NIN has 3 sec Silence + 1sec silence again

Anyway Astrologian has the best self-survivalism but I feel it very lacky on healing a party, I feel like that if I encouter one, I'll kill first his ranged -> melee -> astro

[Yumi_umi]

There was a meta lol till se changed WD then there was a mix of comps after the double smn nerf.
A blm tht can sleep is 1000000x more useful than a smn.
It baits out purify lol unlike smn dots where u can just let it tick out or be even out with regen etc lol.
There will never be a meta for long as SE will always nerf it/ adjust their skillset like they have in the past.