Enough is enough

[Brian_]

Hmm storm path and eye all of a sudden are great support skill....... Ok new question why did PLD win MT of the year award for the last few patches if it was this bad or not as good? It feels like to me after all these years of playing the secret of warrior finally been unlocked.......which is do more damage

Are you really that oblivious to end-game content? Path and Eye are not all of a sudden great support. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN AMAZING. Anyone who did end-game in 2.X knows this to be true.

In 2.X, there were 2 tanks. If you brought 2 PLDs or 2 WARs, you suffered an LB penalty. It kind of makes sense to bring one of each. TBH WAR or PLD were both fine MTs.

Their DPS was better than a WAR's in Sword Oath. It isn't anymore.

Enmity was not an issue because all they did was spam RoH. Not the case in HW anymore so their overall enmity generation has dropped by A LOT.

TP issues not nearly as bad because you could weave in Shield Swipes at no DPS loss to tide you over until the entire group needed a BRD to sing. Now Shield Swipe is a DPS loss because of the new combos PLD got.

You could block a lot of meaningful damage in Coil. This includes but is not limited to Critical Rip, Revelation, Death Sentence, Flatten, etc. What can you block in AS? Auto attacks. Great.

Hallowed Ground allowed you to bypass mechanics in Coil. OT hit by Vulnerability before a WC and Holmgang is down? Tempered Will + HG. Something went wrong with lag or whatnot with T12 Brand pass? HG. Something went wrong with Revelation tank swap? HG. Akh Morn? HG. In AS, it's just another defensive CD you use. You would think it still might bypass mechanics like extending the enrage on Faust but nope, he kills you straight through it.

Of their new skills, Sheltron has issues with relevancy (refer back to part about block in current content). Clemency is unusable. That leaves GB and RA which have created issues of their own with enmity generation. Divine Veil is good but clunky because it requires an activator.

All in all, PLD has gained very little with HW and lost a lot.

[RecklessLion]

Hmm for some odd reason last patches MT was PLD for days. And people said path and eye lean more towards the tank since fewer classes actually benefits from path. Eye benefited the warrior or the MT. Again PLD were tanks of the year for years. Now a new tank pops up PLD have x amount of issues. Something not adding up besides the content not gearing towards true tanking.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

Hmm for some odd reason last patches MT was PLD for days. And people said path and eye lean more towards the tank since fewer classes actually benefits from path. Eye benefited the warrior or the MT. Again PLD were tanks of the year for years. Now a new tank pops up PLD have x amount of issues. Something not adding up besides the content not gearing towards true tanking.

It's pretty obvious to me they're not the number one choice for a mt anymore because drk is better in magic fights and they don't like not being that special snowflake anymore.

[NFaelivrin]

It's pretty obvious to me they're not the number one choice for a mt anymore because drk is better in magic fights and they don't like not being that special snowflake anymore.

The fact that people think this is the problem is hilarious, it doesn't even actually merit this response because its the absolutely most banal and stupid way you can look at tank balance and frankly it contributes so little that the greatest favor you could do us all would be to take this nonsense out of our collective sight. I'll give you a few hints since you seem to be so thick: The general complaints are that PLD is considered a suboptimal choice in any tank role for the majority of Alexander Savage, suboptimal, as in, you're better off not taking a PLD at all, as in "don't play PLD in Savage unless you want to be a burden to your team". "Special snowflake", please, PLD was never the mandatory MT even in 2.XX except in the mind of people who never looked objectively at WAR's tanking toolkit after 2.1, and even if PLD had been the "mandatory main tank" before, that's not what people want, what people want is for the class to not be dead weight in the current raid environment. Does that make sense to you? Or do I need to put it in simpler words?