Enough is enough

[Phoenicia]

Given the choice. I'd choose to nerf WAR, not buff the other two. Powercreep is a pain in the ass.



I don't know if Square used the phraseology you're using. But 20% human error? Lmfao, these guys underestimate how much spare time we have.

You fix nothing by nerfing WAR, specially when it is how the other tanks should've been, not the other way around. WAR isn't over tuned, it's the only tank done right.

And the people with enough spare time to perfect things fast are usually the minority. SE isn't underestimating that. They probably got it exactly right.

[RapBreon]

You fix nothing by nerfing WAR, specially when it is how the other tanks should've been, not the other way around. WAR isn't over tuned, it's the only tank done right.

You'd fix the whining. All classes would the whine equally! I kid, I kid.

The reasoning behind my post is to keep the tier relevant longer. Buffing the tanks nerfs the tier indirectly. Almost always why I favour a nerf over a buff. But that's a personal preference of mine. I'm sure an overwhelming majority would prefer buffs so they can beat the tier easier.

Beyond play-style adjustments. What strict balancing changes do the other two tanks need? I'm curious.

And the people with enough spare time to perfect things fast are usually the minority. SE isn't underestimating that. They probably got it exactly right.

Uh? Isn't Alexander Savage supposed to be for the minority? That's what it was sold to me as.

If it is, then yeah they got it wrong.

[Phoenicia]

You'd fix the whining. All classes would the whine equally! I kid, I kid.

Beyond play-style adjustments. What strict balancing changes do the other two tanks need? I'm curious.

I like the whining fix! haha

I made a massive post here about tank balance lol. Nyttyn got the very extremely short version.

[Seku]

Uh? Isn't Alexander Savage supposed to be for the minority? That's what it was sold to me as.

If it is, then yeah they got it wrong.

Hey, someone that gets it.

[AniCelestine]

You fix nothing by nerfing WAR, specially when it is how the other tanks should've been, not the other way around. WAR isn't over tuned, it's the only tank done right.

It's the only tank done right for the current content*
Current content is based on dps checks, that wasn't the case when pld was relatively close to warrior dps in tank stance in 2.xx (when you could really have both tank's in tank stance even if it was a mt/OT and still beat the dps checks quite easily) but with the ease of changing stances as warrior and the incoming dmg coming to tanks not requiring being 100% on tank stance.(my group's warrior sits in defiance till 30% on faust as opposed to the 50% most use, sure its a bit riskier but dps dps and dps.) The dmg output difference gets too high with the way pld vs warrior is(dps and stance dancingwise), and since drk has better magical defense (and dk replacer) drk wins over pld for the current content (alongside with their dps still being a bit better) pld just doesn't fit into the current content because of how paladin is designed; physical damage wall.

[Phoenicia]

It's the only tank done right for the current content*

WAR is done right, period. It had a complete tanking set since 2.1 and that hasn't changed. It only got better. WAR in Defiance did double the DPS of Shield Oath PLD pre-HW.

WAR has all the tools to do a perfect job as MT. WAR has all the tools to do a perfect job as OT. It can switch on the fly. And it provides support that doesn't conflict with other classes. WAR's toolkit as a whole is very cohesive and synergistic with itself as opposed to DRK's self-conflicting and PLD's overly situational toolkits. Put WAR with any other tank, and that tank performs better! WAR is also the only tank that provides another DPS class a DPS benefit.

This is where things went bad, DRK skill set has conflicts but it's not breaking the class. But DRK doesn't offer synergy with any other class (as in doesn't provide buffs that make others perform better). Only reason DRK has a place in raids is its DPS. And the magical tank busters don't hurt DRK as much as physical ones. Had the raids had physical tank busters, DRKs would be the unwanted black sheep.

PLD on the other hand does provide great defensive utility... The problem? It's not needed. At least, not as much as DPS is. So that's why PLD "doesn't fit". There is no "need" for what the PLD has to offer. PLD is a great class as it is, but it doesn't offer what is needed for this DPS-check heavy environment.