It's time to buff Ninja - Yes it is.

[Kaybye]

This is not really a complaint thread but I know it will be viewed as such.

Ninja is the worst melee at single target DPS (arguably), and clearly the worst DPS in the game at AoE.

DRGs come on here and complain and they get nice buffs/QOL changes. It's time our voices were heard.

Proposed changes: Duality allows crit hits and also works with Death Blossom. Dream Within a Dream needs its potency increased to 150.

These two changes would go a long way in making Ninja more competitive.

[Arkenne]

Ninja... not competitive??

[Saito_S]

I haven't heard or seen anything, either here on these forums or elsewhere, suggesting that there is any kind of widespread opinion that NIN is "not competitive", i.e. people not wanting it for raids and such. I'm not yet into 3.0 (with any class), but I have taken Ninja to 51 so far, and the only change I feel is needed is addressing mudra lag (the only suggestion as to HOW to deal with it that I've seen that seems truly viable is making mudra inputs client side). That would be a DPS boost, as it would prevent us from having to slow down our inputs to account for the lag, but the more important aspect of it, I feel, is as a QoL boost, since it would simply restore Ninja to what it was obviously intended to be, play-style wise. Even with the lag it's still a blast to play, though I'm fortunate that my connection is good enough that I don't have to deal with the lag too much, so I can imagine it can be more of a detriment to those who get hit by it harder. It really should be fixed.

But mudra lag aside, I think Ninja is fine.

[Greedalox]

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I hate to be THAT guy, but seeing as you're not yet 60 which is where the competitive value of a class tends to be measured, you haven't much experience on it.

[Whiteroom]

I thought NIN was right up there with DRG, if done properly.

[Saito_S]

I hate to be THAT guy

Then don't be? It's both pointless and douchy to assert that anyone who hasn't hit the level cap and done EVERYTHING in the game should stay silent on issues of class balance. Especially since I explicitly qualified my opinion by acknowledging ahead of time that I'm not into 3.0 content yet.

EDIT: plus the OP also included conversations about NIN being weak, conversations on the forums. i.e. "DRGs can come here and complain and get buffs" and "it's time our voices were heard." Well, I addressed that in my post too: where are these voices? Where are the people talking about NIN being too weak or uncompetitive? I don't need to be level 60 to comment on that, either.

[RyuDragnier]

Sounds more like some NINs need to get better, because they're in a good place right now. They don't need any fixes other than the QoL fix being the mudra lag being eliminated.

[Acedia1]

I think this is funny to be posted after a screenshot of worldfirst Alex Savage floor 1 has a ninja in it.

[RyuRoots]

You do good dps, good buffs, and the game throws ninja gear in every dungeon like it's afraid its precious babies don't have enough to wear.

Yeah, oh poor ninja.

[Blackheart]

I thought NIN was right up there with DRG, if done properly.

your absolutely correct, but some don't know how to do this.