Are we really getting a Dps parsing dummy?

[CrimsonThunder]

I'm not sure how I feel about a parser given how easy it is to get walled in this game because of a need to rely on a somewhat bi-polar community.

Like would you fault the guy pumping out the lowest DPS just because he isn't packing Law gear in Alex?

[Garotte14]

I think a dummy parser is great. Being on PS4, I don't have access to one. If you are in a static, 99.9% of the time someone will have one in raid, so that's not an issue.

But the problem lies when not in raid. Practicing new rotations, openers, when to use and/or effectively weave cooldowns is part of the fun of learning a new job or new abilities. Especially for the theory crafters that are experimenting with different things. If I had a dummy parse, I would sit there for hours trying every combination I could think of to maximise my dps, and I can't ask a static member to sit and parse me for that length if time. So I'm all for this.

[Malevicton]

I think we should just rip the band aid off. Implement normal parsers. People will be dicks for a bit and then it will normalize.

[Sylve]

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If you agree that its not required and that you don't need it, then why do you want it?

There are already tools available. Yeah, its third party. But again, you didn't need it in the first place. Its a grey area, as long as you don't go around shouting at random people about their DPS, You're free to use the tools.

Parsers during raids are not worthless. Not only is such a claim objectively false, it's opinion.

Yes, they really are worthless.
Showing you how you did at the END of the fight? Now that's useful. Potentially. Except Parsers don't account for boss mechanics. They do not account for people performing specific roles or attending to certain mechanics.

According to the 'Guides' and those who mathed it all out, my Bard should never have gotten its Bismark EX clear. According to the parses, our global DPS was several hundred lower than it should have been to clear the fight.
But we cleared it, easily.
Why? Because the parser just divides your total damage done by the time taken to end the encounter. During the phases that are time sensitive, our damage output was totally fine.

That's why an in-raid parser is worthless.
During A4, my MCH DPS is lower than people claim is acceptable for completing the fight. Why? Because I'm not aiming for maximizing my sustained dps, i need to save certain skills or cooldowns to deal with specific mechanics. Jagd Dolls and Quarantine being an example of such mechanics.
Blow the Ricochet and Reload on cooldown every time and they won't be around when i absolutely NEED that boost in damage to deal with something quickly.
Doesn't hinder my clears at all.

You can cry and moan all you like about how parsers allow you to attain perfection, but the truth of the matter is that you do not need a parser to play your job to the best of its ability.
Just because a parser exists does not guarantee people will use the information to improve.
Conversely, Just because you don't have a parser doesn't prevent you from improving.

[Niwashi]

The knowledge of how to maintain stacks, buffs, DoTs, and other systems doesn't magically disappear when you walk into a raid.

Well, some of it might, if things like dodging out of the way throws the player off their stride too much. It's why I like Kayote's suggestion:

Who knows. Maybe theyll get innovative and throw in an actual script for the dummy to toss out low damage AoE patterns to avoid.

So, learn to keep up your damage rotations while also having to maneuver, and get a score that shows both how effectively you could dodge and how good your DPS was while doing so.

Once a player can dodge while keeping up their DPS, they should be in a good position to be able to handle mechanics as well, so then it's just a matter of learning what the specific mechanics for a fight are.

[Malevicton]

If you agree that its not required and that you don't need it, then why do you want it?

There are already tools available. Yeah, its third party. But again, you didn't need it in the first place. Its a grey area, as long as you don't go around shouting at random people about their DPS, You're free to use the tools.

For the reasons I said in the same post? It's helpful. I can know that I'm doing "enough damage to clear the encounter by some margin or other" or I can know exactly how much dps I'm doing. One is enough information to get by, one is even more information. It saves a lot of time and effort and helps quite a bit to optimize.

So in short, yeah... just the exact reasons I already posted?

Edit: unless you're asking why I specifically want an in-game parser rather than 3rd party? In which case I don't really care tbh. The third party ones work fine. Whether SE adds their own, or just updates their ToS regarding add-ons, I'm happy. But it's really awkward to be breaking the ToS just to know how much dps I do as a dps class.

[Mikedizzy]

1. Best idea would be to give everyone an in game "personal" Parsing tool so we can better ourselves and judge how we are doing "ourselves". No one should be offended by this.
2. Next best would be this "dummy" parser. At least we could go "somewhere" and get our dummy dps and practice rotations for those of us who are on PS4.
I just hope they give us something, that would be very nice since there are dps checks in the game we need to be able to see if we ourselves are doing our best and to help ourselves.

[Kaurie]

unless you're asking why I specifically want an in-game parser rather than 3rd party? In which case I don't really care tbh. The third party ones work fine. Whether SE adds their own, or just updates their ToS regarding add-ons, I'm happy. But it's really awkward to be breaking the ToS just to know how much dps I do as a dps class.

One by SE would be nice as we can be 100% sure it's accurate. I have read that the third party one may not always work properly in every encounter (i.e. Wildfire issues).

[Malevicton]

One by SE would be nice as we can be 100% sure it's accurate. I have read that the third party one may not always work properly in every encounter (i.e. Wildfire issues).

Wildfire's the only issue and it's not a particularly common one.

The only other thing close to an issue is DoTs, but that's cause they don't actually show up in the combat log, so there's nothing to parse. DoT simulation is pretty accurate though.

And really, if you're making the point that you can't trust 3rd party parsers, isn't that just more reason to have an official parser?

[Niwashi]

There are already tools available.

There are tools available to some players, but not others. The third-party add-ons don't run on consoles.