Tank Balance

[Reynhart]

That's certainly true to a degree (though things like class flavor and the like factor into people's choices as well). I don't foresee them making PLD significantly more complex, though, either through DPS or more active mitigation as it's also the "gateway" tank.

I think that they can safely expand on PLD's gameplay...after level 50.
Leveling from 1 to 50 and doing all mandatory ARR content is plenty enough to learn how to play tank at a smooth pace.

[AppropriateName8544]

Too bad SE is not even considering balancing DRK m. They won't give it any utility:/

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

We've reached 200 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phoenicia]

I'm pretty sure this isn't right.

That means for example if you are at 100% damage + 15% Darkside - 20% from Grit, your effective damage is 95%.

However if you stack Sword oath + Rampart + Sentinel the mitigation is multiplicative at 68.9% mitigation.

That formula is old and probably wrong. According to t hat formula berserk is 40% increase. But it actually is 50%.

There is a more accurate formula found on this page: https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/2015/...r-the-dragoon/

Damage increasing buffs do stack multiplicatively.

Quoting from the website:

So, here’s the Updated Models, which, are a WIP:

Weapon Skills:
((Potency*0.01005)*(WD*0.0400573+1)*(STR*0.1104171)*(DET*0.0001368+1)*BUFFS)-1

Auto-Attacks:
((WD*0.0319937+1)*(STR*0.1387779)*(*DET*0.0001513+1)*BUFFS)-1

Skillspeed Mod for DoTs:
(1+(skillspeed-354)*0.0001285) – Note, this fits into the Buffs section.

[Alahra]

I think that they can safely expand on PLD's gameplay...after level 50.
Leveling from 1 to 50 and doing all mandatory ARR content is plenty enough to learn how to play tank at a smooth pace.

I think we might see it become more complex in 4.0, yes. At 60, PLD is nearly (though not quite) as complex as WAR was at 50, at least in terms of basic rotational stuff. It's still simpler than 50 WAR when you start getting into proper IB timing, Defiance-dropping, and so on, so there's room to add some fiddly bits 60+. I don't see them making huge changes to the 50-60 kit, though.

[Reynhart]

I don't see them making huge changes to the 50-60 kit, though.

For me, I don't see them adding skills at the next expansion. There's only so much skill you can fit into hotbars to easy access.

I'm thinking towards traits, and traits don't change much of the gameplay.

And 4.0 is still a long time away

Besides, when Yoshi-P talked about HW, he said that ARR was the "easy introduction" and that HW where the game would become more complex and more difficult. Well...for now, HW just follows the exact same footsteps of ARR...and I wonder if he didn't already say that 4.0 will be "more complex and difficult"

[NFaelivrin]

There were practically no words about tank balance in 3.07 on the live letter to my knowledge, which seems quite odd since tank balance has been a hotly debated topic in the official forums ever since Dark Knight was introduced and gained even more traction with Savage showing imbalances in the viability of all 3 tanks.

[SpookyGhost]

There were practically no words about tank balance in 3.07 on the live letter to my knowledge, which seems quite odd since tank balance has been a hotly debated topic in the official forums ever since Dark Knight was introduced and gained even more traction with Savage showing imbalances in the viability of all 3 tanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q

[Phoenicia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me

All I wanna say is that, they don't really care about us!

Definitely something a "tank" would say!

[Alahra]

For me, I don't see them adding skills at the next expansion. There's only so much skill you can fit into hotbars to easy access.

I'm really surprised we got 5 abilities to begin with for HW, honestly. I agree about ability bloat--if they want to add abilities for 4.0, they'll definitely have to do something about it.