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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Avoiding a mechanic is also putting less strain on healers. Nowadays, the "less strain" is far too little to justify picking a PLD when compared to the DPS loss, since DPS is the most important aspect of endgame content.
    WAR's mitigation is very close to PLD (Especially in magical fights), while their DPS as MT is much higher.

    So, if you have WAR+PLD, you either chose to put the WAR as MT because he can do more DPS and you know you can manage all mechanics properly, or you put the PLD if you want to bypass some mechanics. And bypassing some mechanics would allow the PLD to DPS more too (Tempered Will already helps with that for knockbacks, in fact)
    WAR MT deals less DPS than WAR OT, you won't put him MT. So it would be more PLD vs DRK, and WAR's mitigation is nowhere close PLD's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyndel View Post
    WAR MT deals less DPS than WAR OT, you won't put him MT. So it would be more PLD vs DRK, and WAR's mitigation is nowhere close PLD's.
    WAR MT deals more DPS that any MT
    WAR OT deals more DPS that any OT
    The calculation is what combination of any tanks makes you lose the less DPS.

    WAR is the tank with the least gap between MT DPS and OT DPS, thanks to Unchained, skills that ignore damage penalties and its ability to stance dance on the fly to pop some Fell Cleaves.
    PLD is the tank with the most gap between MT DPS and OT DPS, since RoH is its weaker combo and Sword Oath adding a lot of damage.
    So PLD MT+WAR OT deal less damage than WAR MT+PLD OT

    And yes, WAR's mitigation is really close to PLD when mitigation really matters (i.e mitigating tankbusters). In heavy magical fights, WAR is actually better than PLD since Sheltron and Bulwark are useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
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    By that logic WAR MT and DRK OT or vice versa, why even bother with PLD? Also, yeah, pop some fell cleaves as WAR MT and make healers heal you for 20% of your HP just because you swapped and sacrifice your inner beast which is a 20% damage mitigation plus a decent healing. WAR mitigation is nowhere near close to PLD if you're gonna DPS when MTing and still isn't as good when fully MTing tankbusters. This is illogical, so PLD is just crap and can't tank or DPS for you? Might as well go WAR MT and WAR OT by that logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyndel View Post
    By that logic WAR MT and DRK OT or vice versa, why even bother with PLD? Also, yeah, pop some fell cleaves as WAR MT and make healers heal you for 20% of your HP just because you swapped and sacrifice your inner beast which is a 20% damage mitigation plus a decent healing. WAR mitigation is nowhere near close to PLD if you're gonna DPS when MTing and still isn't as good when fully MTing tankbusters. This is illogical, so PLD is just crap and can't tank or DPS for you? Might as well go WAR MT and WAR OT by that logic.
    Which is more than do-able in a non buster stage of a fight if your smart about the use of infuriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyndel View Post
    Also, yeah, pop some fell cleaves as WAR MT and make healers heal you for 20% of your HP just because you swapped and sacrifice your inner beast which is a 20% damage mitigation plus a decent healing. WAR mitigation is nowhere near close to PLD if you're gonna DPS when MTing and still isn't as good when fully MTing tankbusters.
    I'll suggest you go check some advanced warrior guides, you might learn one thing or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anyndel View Post
    By that logic WAR MT and DRK OT or vice versa, why even bother with PLD? [...] This is illogical, so PLD is just crap and can't tank or DPS for you? Might as well go WAR MT and WAR OT by that logic.
    You're late to the party...why do you think there is so much threads about PLD being weaker thant the other tanks ?
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