Tank Balance

[Rhaja]

@Xenosan

I'm having fun just imagining what it would be to play DRK like that.

[Drakkaelus]

The main thing that bothers me about the Paladin is how much dead weight is loaded onto it's skills.

Tempered Will? Useless
Cover? Useless
Pacification? Useless in any situation where it'd actually be useful.
Blind? Useless against anything that matters
Shield Bash? Rarely worth the TP
Clemency? Not useless, but hard to get any real use out of. I might be alone in this but if they're going to stick with a 3 second cast time, I'd really prefer it if this spell was a HoT. At least then it could support what your healers are doing, instead of it being an either/or situation that you usually lose.

No, I don't care if that one spell had that one use in that one phase of that one boss in that one dungeon. PLDs have entirely too much crap that just sits unused 99% of the time and too much other crap that ceases to function as soon as magic starts flying. It's not a surprise to see so many PLDs focusing more and more on DPS when a lot of their supposed "utility" doesn't even function against anything but trash mobs (if that).

[Donjo]

Useless? You keep using that word. I'm not sure it means what you think it means.

As long as a skill, item, or strategy has at least one situation in which it is useful, it is not useless. So stop saying that. It's wrong. The word you are looking for is "situational".

And of those skills you listed, Drak? All except for Pacification and Blind have great uses in Savage Alexander.

[Ercapote]

thumps up.

^ this. true current state of pallys in a comment

[Ercapote]

Useless? You keep using that word. I'm not sure it means what you think it means.

As long as a skill, item, or strategy has at least one situation in which it is useful, it is not useless. So stop saying that. It's wrong. The word you are looking for is "situational".

And of those skills you listed, Drak? All except for Pacification and Blind have great uses in Savage Alexander.

please feel free to list how great those abilities are on alexander or any other content in the game whatsoever?? last time I remember use protect was 4 month ago when t13 was relevant. and that should say something

[Eye_Gore]

Thats just it though. They may be useless for Alex, but there is a lot more content to the game than that. Not that those skills are used a ton, there are situations that I have used them where it either saved my hind end or someone else. Clemency allows me to solo some of the post 50 dungeons including HM's. Tempered Will though not used much in dungeons atleast gets rid of heavy in the open world. I do use it on the last boss in Neverreap as a safety, also used it in Titan a few times. Out of all of those, shield bash is used quite often to stun or stop some attacks. Cover used once in Titan HM to save a wipe. Again not used much but there are situations where it worked out, so not entirely useless.

[NFaelivrin]

Paladin needs sword oath changed from 50 potency to auto attacks to "increases weaponskill damage by 5%".

This would be a nerf, Sword Oath currently accounts for 12-13% of PLD DPS just from the 50 potency increase using an Antiquated Hauteclaire, which itself is already a pretty slow weapon.

[Ercapote]

snip.

so meanwhile every other class has useful abilities that are constanly used for greater beneficial purposes, pally sit here with 4 or 5 abilities that take dust there in the hotbar for that moment "every once in a while when the planets align" not only that, but also our supper defense kit, also puts in trash other 3 or 4 abilities if the boss uses magic damage. hell we should call pally " The situational tank class" only use when that moment on that dungeon.

[NFaelivrin]

Tempered Will is a specially egregious ability because for the most part anytime you'd want to use it you can simply, well, not use it, by dodging whatever knockback is coming. If the anti-knockback ability was removed entirely and replaced with a 300 TP restore you'd see that skill suddenly jump from "why even have it on my hotbars" to pretty damn good. The only times I've used it in 3.0 are so I can look cool not getting knocked back by Pillars of Heaven in Ravana, and the last time I used it before that was so I could be lazy and not dodge a divebomb in T13.

[Ercapote]

the last time I used it before that was so I could be lazy and not dodge a divebomb in T13.

ROLF. me too