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  1. #51
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    seekified's Avatar
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    Karis Angara
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    This is funny, because with Steps being nerfed to hell you don't even need dragonkillers at all unless party DPS is absolutely terrible.

    On topic though, it isn't the tanks' job to explain every facet of every fight ever. People who play tanks (well) tend to be comparatively confident though, which I suspect is why many of them do it anyway.
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  2. #52
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    Twilite's Avatar
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    Miranda Madison
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Tanks seem like the worst position to explain most fights, because 95% of fight mechanics for a tank boil down to:
    -point it away from everyone
    -pop a CD when/before you need it
    Because of such simplicity, Tanks can see everything else. DPS most of the time suffer from tunnel vision.
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  3. #53
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    Waekswys Styrmwyn
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    Bard Lv 60
    Frankly, tanks are probably the worst to explain any fight mechanics because they are usually dealing with different things from the rest of the party. Attacks that only the tank has to deal with and ensuring defensive cooldowns are done at appropriate times, tank swapping, boss positioning, etc. Healers see all of the flow of the fight and probably need to be the best informed overall.

    That said, the person who should explain a fight to a newcomer is the one who a) knows the fight and b) is capable of clearly describing it. Just being the tank does not necessarily qualify you.

    And, to support the OP, if you are in a party and think someone is not doing a good job at explaining things, then step in and make the corrections - or - STFU.
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  4. #54
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    Milmoko Gemoko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selli View Post
    I've run a lot of LCoA and as a healer I always get told to do the doors. I have never once in my life seen a DPS get a door... Though, it should be more than 100% possible to burn the boss. I did it on my BLM not that long ago, with a new i90 NIN and we ignored doors.
    I'm usually to busy hitting Diablos (and have him block my screen, im tiny) to notice but when I ran it with FC a few times I think one of the DPS grabbed it.
    Eitherway the healer and other DPS could of grabbed it, just seemed like needless laziness to not even explain.
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  5. #55
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    Khaela Alteri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko View Post
    I'm usually to busy hitting Diablos (and have him block my screen, im tiny) to notice but when I ran it with FC a few times I think one of the DPS grabbed it.
    Eitherway the healer and other DPS could of grabbed it, just seemed like needless laziness to not even explain.
    DPS can grab it, but you usually have healer do it because if people are paying any attention to mechanics at all, it's a really low damage fight until after the second or third ruinous omen (other than maybe some burst healing after omen if you don't do doors, at all).

    That said, the ninja should have just done it. Or stopped sucking at his job enough to do a full burn on the boss. A group can generally survive two omens with no doors opening if people are avoiding unavoidable damage and the healer is doing well. And if the DPS is good you shouldn't even see a second one.
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  6. 08-17-2015 10:00 PM

  7. #56
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Waeksyn View Post
    Healers see all of the flow of the fight and probably need to be the best informed overall.
    Erm.. no. Not at all.
    Do you know how many fights are "dodge random stuff on the ground while watching the bars of the group/raid frame" for me?

    As a healer it's VERY easy to sort of "trance" through the encounter, not realizing what others are doing.
    Often I "wake up" when the damage stops coming in, asking myself "what's up? Oh.. boss is dead already."
    It's a really weird place to be in.

    My experience: Ranged DPS has the most time to observe (long casts, basically 2.5 seconds with nothing to do) and the best overview.
    Melee is usually in front trying not to get a seizure from the spellgasm, tank nibbles away at the bosses big toe while seeing fuck all because giant leg in his face...

    I agree on the explaining part though. Whomever knows stuff should do it. I do it all the time. If a newbie asks a question, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, I will give a short answer if I know it in order to help.
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  8. #57
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    Kayo Lireaux
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    Famfrit
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    Archer Lv 60
    Why is there a notion that Tanks should be the Mighty Walking Strategy Guide?
    On one hand no one should expect anyone to be the guide or even know the fight, but on the other hand, Tanks are the ones that set the pace, kill order, and what specific strategy is going to be taken. They are the leaders of the run whether you like it or not, you should know that by now.

    However, in this particular scenario, you took charge and started giving out orders, so in a sense you made yourself the unofficial guide. If you dont want to lead then do a ready check, maybe coordinate whose OT, and pull. Not saying they shouldve just winged it without trying to get a better explanation but as far as your main complaint... its on you.

    That said...

    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasS View Post
    A Steps failure is 15 minutes out of my day for no reason.
    OMG you poor thing!...... no ... really ... how horrible (-_-)
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  9. #58
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    Alexes D'kal
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    Most people say is the tank that needs to explain. In the main story roulette, I got a mnk doing bad positioning, going to the wrong direction and them waste a LB. I didn't say anything in the beginning, but later i suggested to do a better job. What was his reply that I was an asshole and began to act as first grader. He was not even new. He got a lot of crafters /gatherers and normal classes around lvl 50 to 60.

    The excuse that he gave about his bad performance was he was watching Netflix and he wasnt attention cuz it was an old content ( there were three new players ). It was funny to even read his rage on me cuz I was telling how to play his own class correctly and giving tips on what to do in that place =P. If onlynppl would listen without saying tank is such and such.
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    Last edited by dekal; 08-17-2015 at 10:52 PM.

  10. #59
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    Katarh Mest
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    Not always.

    In fact, tanks are probably the worst choice for raid call outs because they have more important things to focus on.
    We're catching up on Second Coil for folks who missed it last year. We've found our tank is the best person to call out mob attacks from the main boss (e.g. Cursed Voice in T7) but everyone else should be calling out their own areas of responsibility. Has worked out pretty well.
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  11. #60
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    Eisen-Zorn's Avatar
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    Daeya Star
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 84
    I main tank and whenever I get the "New Person" memo on the screen, I immediately ask who is new and what they know about the dungeon.

    If they say they've watched a video, I'll give them a chance to run it once and see how they do. If they start messing up and we wipe, I will explain it in better detail.

    I will always try to help and explain because them screwing up just makes my job harder because it will make the healer's job harder. I can spare a minute of my time to help someone to get it right the first time because the less we screw up, they less time we have to spend redoing dungeons.
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