AST, Underpowered?, Potential changes, and you.

[Vlady]

Good to know! And until we see that anyone (Moderators, Communitiy Representatives, Devs) actually gives a fuck (read: makes a statement - relays the question into Live Letter) it will continue to be that way on every aspect people don't like~t

Maybe if 90% of the recommendations on these topics was not overpower pushing steroids that turns astrologians into the super saiyan healer job of the game the devs would take these threads more seriously. All people are seeing is just dead horse beating and so many changes it would be better to just make a new job at that point and leave astrologians to people who like it as is. And cards are not suppose to make or break a fight the same as any job. Any healer and dps or tank are suppose to be able to be used and astrologian is on par with the other two healers minus cooldowns.

I am glad the threads are dying down and people are becoming more reasonable. I was getting tired of always having to counter so much mis-information and crap spewing.

[Blood-Aki]

Maybe if 90% of the recommendations on these topics was not overpower pushing steroids that turns astrologians into the super saiyan healer job of the game the devs would take these threads more seriously. All people are seeing is just dead horse beating and so many changes it would be better to just make a new job at that point and leave astrologians to people who like it as is. And cards are not suppose to make or break a fight the same as any job. Any healer and dps or tank are suppose to be able to be used and astrologian is on par with the other two healers minus cooldowns.

I am glad the threads are dying down and people are becoming more reasonable. I was getting tired of always having to counter so much mis-information and crap spewing.

The irony is this post is so astonishing, i think you could win the guiness book of records for it. i also do not think you know what counter means. as you spew said mis-information your self, in fact, i don't think i have ever seen any actual facts from you.

[Eudyptes]

I am glad the threads are dying down and people are becoming more reasonable. I was getting tired of always having to counter so much mis-information and crap spewing.

We don't need to be lectured about spreading misinformation from Mr. "I raise drgs dps by 400 as an ast".

[Muahbec]

I am glad the threads are dying down and people are becoming more reasonable. I was getting tired of always having to counter so much mis-information and crap spewing.

OK
First: You were the one spreading mis-infirmation so....
Second: The AST threads have reduced thanks to this >> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ents-about-AST
Third: For the last freaking time, AST.IS.NOT.ON.PAR.WITH.ANYTHING.

[Vlady]

OK
First: You were the one spreading mis-infirmation so....
Second: The AST threads have reduced thanks to this >> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ents-about-AST
Third: For the last freaking time, AST.IS.NOT.ON.PAR.WITH.ANYTHING.

Astrologian is not meant to be on par with the other two. It is suppose to bring its own to the table via buffing other jobs. I would be interested to see different parses between what an astro brings with the card buffs+astro dps vs scholar solo dps. I believe that is the most fair comparison right now since a big focus is on how potent the scholar's dps is. And yes Astrologian can heal as well as the other two jobs minus the cooldown area which needs to be redone right I will vehemently beat that drum any day.

[Muahbec]

Astrologian is not meant to be on par with the other two. It is suppose to bring its own to the table via buffing other jobs. I would be interested to see different parses between what an astro brings with the card buffs+astro dps vs scholar solo dps. I believe that is the most fair comparison right now since a big focus is on how potent the scholar's dps is. And yes Astrologian can heal as well as the other two jobs minus the cooldown area which needs to be redone right I will vehemently beat that drum any day.

What the hell?
YOU were the one who kept saying
"AST is on par with whm and sch"
"They don't need buffs because ast is on par with whm and sch"
And now you say it is not meant to be on par?
More Vlady nonsense.
Honestly, from now on i'll officially stop replying to all of your nonsense.
Grow up.

[Eudyptes]

Astrologian is not meant to be on par with the other two.

Why would they purposely make an inferior class then? Or do you not know what par means?

I would be interested to see different parses between what an astro brings with the card buffs+astro dps vs scholar solo dps. I believe that is the most fair comparison right now since a big focus is on how potent the scholar's dps is.

I hope you mean SCH dps + SCH buffs. Wouldn't be accurate to discount a part of SCH when comparing the two.

And yes Astrologian can heal as well as the other two jobs minus the cooldown area which needs to be redone right I will vehemently beat that drum any day.

Thing is, CDs are a significant portion of healing. The discussion of how well any of these classes can heal needs to include said CDs. At the very least it needs to include the shorter ones. So no, healing is not on par either.

[Cynfael]

Astrologian is not meant to be on par with the other two. It is suppose to bring its own to the table via buffing other jobs. I would be interested to see different parses between what an astro brings with the card buffs+astro dps vs scholar solo dps. I believe that is the most fair comparison right now since a big focus is on how potent the scholar's dps is. And yes Astrologian can heal as well as the other two jobs minus the cooldown area which needs to be redone right I will vehemently beat that drum any day.

I would like to propose a healer forum drinking game where we all take a shot whenever Vlady successfully contradicts himself at least once within the same paragraph...but I wouldn't want to be responsible for the alcohol poisoning that would ensue, so let's not.

Still waiting for that magical DRG+AST parse, btw.

As far as AST card DPS vs. SCH DPS, you've been provided the answer already if you've been following the forums. Beyond that, I would suggest thinking for a moment about the very best possible scenario for AST increasing raid DPS (choose an arbitrary total raid DPS like 6000), then taking that theoretical increase and comparing it to what DPS a SCH a needs to provide to exceed that increase on their own (not even factoring in Selene for the raid).

After you do that, consider the probability of AST achieving 100% uptime on this ideal scenario and adjust accordingly. Also consider that AST's personal DPS is less potent, far less sustainable, and more difficult to weave in with required healing than that of SCH.

In short, this question pretty much answers itself for you if you stop and think about it.

[Yhisa]

I would like to propose a healer forum drinking game where we all take a shot whenever Vlady successfully contradicts himself at least once within the same paragraph...but I wouldn't want to be responsible for the alcohol poisoning that would ensue, so let's not.

Still waiting for that magical DRG+AST parse, btw.

Well looks like im going to get Very Very drunk quickly Vlady is just a plague that u cannot get rid of best just to ignore all comments he makes on the forums tbh and dont interact with him at all and just let him burn alone

[Blood-Aki]

My usual.

It boggles the mind as to what image you are trying to create here. It's pretty clear you're in serious denial or just refuse to admit AST cannot compare to SCH and WHM, yet, regardless of how many times you are shot down and proven wrong, you still continue this. Are you alright? do you need some medication? IF you have sought to create an image you were successful, and it's not a good one.