3.1 Balance/QoL Request Megathread

**hallena** · 08-20-2015 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

i think YOU dont understand. try doing ten>weaponskill>chi and youll get a rabbit

Cool. thats not what off GCD means though

The only reason SMN is better on a2 is because of Vulnerability stacks and Bane interacting - really they're on the same level

Well no. smn has more aoe damage than blm in literally any situation. Summoners right now would still have more aoe dps than unnerfed blm. So its funny you think blm's nerf was deserved but summoner is completely fine.
fire II x3 + flare followed by 6 seconds of doing fuckall damage cannot even compare with garuda, bane, painflare and deathflare all of which are instan and off GCD

**Shaddai** · 08-20-2015 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by hallena

you wut, they nerfed Blm's pretty badly and summoner is a better option for most if not every alexander floor.
I just can't take you seriously complaining about your laughable 1.5s casting time when other classes has 2.5-4s casting time and are doing just fine.

As someone pointed out I would rather not derail the topic so this will be my last response about that. Casters always had cast times. Bards went from instant to a full 1.5 secs. Imagine all your cast time got an extra 1.5 secs. It's like that.

**Hakmatic** · 08-20-2015 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kabooa

Yeah, black mages made out like kings, alright.

Maybe you should come to Gilgamesh and meet Haru. Blm is in a very very very good spot. Stop qqing and start pew pewing

**Nomad-phx** · 08-20-2015 03:48 AM

Add .5% to emnity multiplier on shield oath or whatever to make pld relevant to raids again.

**Kabooa** · 08-20-2015 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Hakmatic

Maybe you should come to Gilgamesh and meet Haru. Blm is in a very very very good spot. Stop qqing and start pew pewing

Never said they weren't, just that the nerf to their AoE was a strange occurrence when it basically just got padded into Summoner.

**Odowla** · 08-20-2015 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Kabooa

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Because you're totally flaring a single target

oh yeah and a summoner has
bio / bio 2 / miasma all of which do
240 / 350 / 300, total of 850 potency. Until you consider that those don't do it instantly, in fact bio 1 does less damage than all of your abilities in that same 16 seconds

"yeah but deathflare"
440 potency once every 30 seconds

painflare is 200 every 10 but really its less than 400 potency a minute

you can still go flare > trans > fire 3 > fire 2 > fire 2 > flare way the fuck more than 3 times in a minute.
Something you don't understand is SMN aaoe burst is only so high every like, second pull, due to aetherflow/trance/deathflare being gated behind a 60 second CD. Yeah i know flare loses potency but on 6 targets its only 25% damage lost. Not bad when you consider its a deathflare you can shit 3 of out in a couple of seconds.

**OneWingedSora** · 08-20-2015 04:20 AM

I do 1180-1200 on A1S, 1.9k on A2S and 1160 on A3S(was actually 1220 once but we wiped that run :/) in i198 w/o a Ninja. I don't think BLM needs any buffs at all. It's AOE is perfectly fine and it's ST destroys SMN and is only second to Dragoon if you have a bard. It has decent support in Apoc, which can be a life saver in end game raids.

**Kabooa** · 08-20-2015 04:57 AM

Preface: While writing this out it turns out we're both ignoring a lot of variables, time included. Rather than mess of text this, here's the TLDR/W.

Black mage wins assuming ever increasing mob density that dies after 60 seconds or within 10 seconds.
Summoner wins assuming mob packs of 3-6 that die between 20 and 55 seconds.

PS: Guess which one is more applicable.
PPS: This is then not a matter of who got out better, but who is currently better suited for current content. In terms of AoE: Summoners are better suited for current content. Black Mage for when things need to die right god damn now.

I still want my flare back.

**OneWingedSora** · 08-20-2015 05:01 AM

There would be no reason to bring SMN over a BLM to end game content if Flare got buffed again since BLM already destroys SMN in Single Target.

**Kenji1134** · 08-20-2015 05:17 AM

Cept on 2 mob fights like A1S.
Or fights that require repeated movement and target losses, like A3S.

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