Thread: 3.1 Balance/QoL Request Megathread

Originally Posted by Odowla

I mean, come on, doing 1,000 potency a gcd every like 3 GCD's in an Aoe without any resources is fuckign insane)

Assuming you mean fire2 x 2 into flare

It's 360 + 476 (or someodd): We'll round up to 840 AoE potency. If we assume no spell speed that's 10 seconds.

Transpose into Ice. If you're lucky you tick MP right away, if not you wait up to 3 seconds. Soon as MP ticks you cast Fire3. Too much spell speed means you tick once and can't fire2 into flare. Going straight into flare means you wait on transpose. You either time for two ticks of mp when entering fire stance or go through a few more GCDs going into Ice3 and then back into fire3.

So it's 10s for 840 potency
Transpose
3.5-6.5s for two mp ticks and fire3 back into Fire stance. (120 to one target, since you're fire3'ing form ice stance.
840 aoe potency over 13.5 - 16.5 seconds (reduced by spell speed.)

Yeah. that's totally 1000 potency every 3 'gcds'.

Originally Posted by Kabooa

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Because you're totally flaring a single target

oh yeah and a summoner has
bio / bio 2 / miasma all of which do
240 / 350 / 300, total of 850 potency. Until you consider that those don't do it instantly, in fact bio 1 does less damage than all of your abilities in that same 16 seconds

"yeah but deathflare"
440 potency once every 30 seconds

painflare is 200 every 10 but really its less than 400 potency a minute

you can still go flare > trans > fire 3 > fire 2 > fire 2 > flare way the fuck more than 3 times in a minute.
Something you don't understand is SMN aaoe burst is only so high every like, second pull, due to aetherflow/trance/deathflare being gated behind a 60 second CD. Yeah i know flare loses potency but on 6 targets its only 25% damage lost. Not bad when you consider its a deathflare you can shit 3 of out in a couple of seconds.

Preface: While writing this out it turns out we're both ignoring a lot of variables, time included. Rather than mess of text this, here's the TLDR/W.

Black mage wins assuming ever increasing mob density that dies after 60 seconds or within 10 seconds.
Summoner wins assuming mob packs of 3-6 that die between 20 and 55 seconds.

PS: Guess which one is more applicable.
PPS: This is then not a matter of who got out better, but who is currently better suited for current content. In terms of AoE: Summoners are better suited for current content. Black Mage for when things need to die right god damn now.

I still want my flare back.