Question regarding the children of House Haillenarte

[Rahela]

The four children of Count Baurendouin de Haillenarte are Francel, Stephanivien, Laniaitte, and Chlodebaimt. But there's some contradicting texts regarding the order they were born in.

Stepphanot says that Francel was the 'fourth born of his father's loins,' which clearly pegs him at the youngest. And in MSQ, Laniaitte says that Francel is her younger brother, which supports this. The contradiction, however, comes from Hunter-scholar of Camp Dragonhead's description of Naul:

“The dragons Naul and Svara are best known for their attack on the Steel Vigil, which left the fortress a smoking ruin. Notable casualties include the third son of House Haillenarte...”

Except the third son is the still-living Francel, and the brother that died in the Steel Vigil was the older Chlodebaimt. This contradiction was most likely just the result of an oversight, but that said, a family tree depicting the members of Ishgard's high houses to determine birth order would be extraordinarily useful...

[Kaiser-Ace]

To be fair, Naul was added before we met any of these people in 3.0. So I think it's just text no one felt the need to update.

[WyrahFhurrst]

There's three possibilities here. One is that there is a deceased brother who has been discounted from the list of siblings and Francel was actually the fourth brother before the Steel Vigil Fell. Second is that we're talking about a different generation of House Haillenarte, and the Count's brother is the one who died. Third is that there is actually a discrepancy in the texts and a GM needs to let us know what's up.

[Belhi]

They probably meant third child. I think it was an oversight.

This made me realise we know most of the families of two of the Ruling houses of Ishgard. I wonder which house Hilda's father is in.

[FJerome]

This made me realise we know most of the families of two of the Ruling houses of Ishgard. I wonder which house Hilda's father is in.

We also know quite a bit about House Durendaire . . .

[Kaiser-Ace]

They probably meant third child. I think it was an oversight.

This made me realise we know most of the families of two of the Ruling houses of Ishgard. I wonder which house Hilda's father is in.

Something says House Dzemal to me fir some reason.

[Belhi]

Something says House Dzemal to me fir some reason.

It would fit the general vibe that house has had throughout the questing. Certainly they seem to be likely the most antagonistic house toward the WoL going forward.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

cas·u·al·ty
ˈkaZH(əw)əltē/

noun
a person killed or injured in a war or accident.

[Nicku]

Tbh everything points to that being an older oversight. Especially with the new HW information, it just doesn't fit in in any way.
It's a shame everything is so vague, I've taken a liking to this specific house, so I hope they give us more stuff to go on in the future.

[Serilda]

I feel it's likely to be a simple mistranslation or typo in this case, but I agree that a set of official family trees would be extremely fun to see.