I'm Crap and I Know it

[ErzaScarlet77]

just play sch. spam physick and let eos carry you. but it says you main smn there? smn is probly the worst class for someone like you lol, so many button to press

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Ok, I am going to be the unpopular one here by commenting from a strictly pragmatic point of view.

First of all, I am calling this an "attention grabbing" thread. By calling out your illness while at the same time self-commiserating yourself with terms like "crap" you are clearly expecting a bunch of people to try to convince you otherwise due to the fact that "being nice with unlucky strangers on the Internet is cool".
You then write that you are just curious, but if that was your original intent, there was no need to label yourself as "crap" or adding stuff like "watch out for me". You could have kept it much more neutral without attracting the horde of white knights.

Secondly, "crap" is a subjective term. You probably aren't suited for endgame raiding (or, more generally, group content as a whole), which means that yes, if put into such a situation, you would be severely underperforming and thus bad. There are no two ways around it. Performance is a parameter which is objectively measurable regardless of your personal circumstances.
Accept that, due to your situation, you are indeed "bad" in terms of performance. People in this thread trying to convince you otherwise in order to feel better with themselves are not going to change reality.

Now, feel free to flame away at me.

[Mycow8me]

I play with essential tremor. Causes uneasy shaking in the hands and arms. Very rarely when excited or nervous (near death or first time in dungeon I guess) it happens in my neck.

I've found playing with weights and magnetic apparel helps kinda. The idea is to lower the effect of the shaking.

Playing with the keyboard was rough cause the shaking had no where to go and spasmatically hit wrong keys. Hooked ps3 controller into PC and got a made in china driver for it and now its a lot easier to play. Arms can shake freely and there is hardly any shake in the hands, none in the fingers.

Magnetic wrist watch ftw.

[Aegrus]

First of all, I am calling this an "attention grabbing" thread. By calling out your illness while at the same time self-commiserating yourself with terms like "crap" you are clearly expecting a bunch of people to try to convince you otherwise due to the fact that "being nice with unlucky strangers on the Internet is cool".

You beat me to it. That being said, people are indeed bad, and while you may play a subscription to play, so do the other 3-7 people in your group. You seem self conscious enough to be aware of your performance, but that does not mean others are. I personally can care less on what someones situation is, nor should you care about my own. It is a game you play, and you are allowed to play it the way you see fit, just as others are within their rights to choose who they want to, and if that happens to not be with you, who are you to judge.

[Nyalia]

Ok, I am going to be the unpopular one here by commenting from a strictly pragmatic point of view.

I don't know the OP and can't speak for them, but I can say it can be comforting for someone with a disability to know that they aren't alone. I read the OP as them just trying to (1) validate their decision to run dungeons despite a handicap that adversely affects their ability to play the game optimally, and (2) see if anyone else is in a similar position and how they handle it. These are, in my opinion, both totally valid and important. Look, it's great that you don't have a disability. It really is. But other people do live with a disability every day, and it isn't always easy. We aren't here to troll you. We just want to play the darn game.


If you think its selfish for someone to go into a roulette knowing they might perform worse than the average player, then you must think the majority of players are pretty selfish. It turns out that half of them perform worse than the average player.

In DF, you get matched with random people. Some of them perform better than others - that's just how it is. Is it also selfish for someone in minimum ilvl gear to queue for a duty? Or healers who don't have THM to 26 for Swiftcast? Or anyone who is playing a role they are unfamiliar with? Or anyone who has new skills that they haven't completely figured out how to use optimally yet? If you only ever want to run dungeons with the absolute best performers, set up parties through PF (and be sure to indicate just how awesome you are at the game in the PF description - its very important).


Strictly speaking, the most pragmatic way to deal with underperformers is to change your playstyle to accommodate them where possible. That gets the duty over sooner, reduces wipes, prevents having to wait for someone new to join, and keeps the environment from becoming hostile or unwelcoming. Calling out everyone who isn't as good as you think they should be for being an underperformer is not pragmatism, nor is saying that people with disabilities shouldn't play video games.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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I never said "bad" people should not play videogames, please do not put words into my mouth, thanks.
What I said is, opening a thread stating that you are "crap" because you have an illness is clearly an attention grabbing thread. Period.
Feel free to play the game, but please do not be hypocritical. Bad is bad, no two ways around it. Still want to play? No one is stopping you. But I am not going to lie and just hide my head under the sand by saying "Oh no, please don't say such things, you are good!"

OP says he/she is "crap"? Fine, then. Crap it is. Who am I to disagree? If he/she is the first one to think like that, then I am going to think the same.

[Calypsx]

"being nice with unlucky strangers on the Internet is cool".

It's better than being an ass on the internet to unlucky strangers.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

It's better than being an ass on the internet to unlucky strangers.

I find those things to be on the same level.

It is much better (and harder, in my opinion) to be completely honest and logical with everyone.

Fair is fair. Fake compassion in order to be socially accepted / feel superior compared to the "rude Internet masses" is not something I desire to show or receive.

[Calypsx]

I find those things to be on the same level.

It is much better (and harder, in my opinion) to be completely honest and logical with everyone.

Fair is fair.

If the person asks for a "logical and honest" answer then by all means but not everyone wants to hear it. There's a time and place but some things you should keep to yourself.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Nah it's really not equal. If the person asks for a "logical and honest" answer then by all means but not everyone wants to hear it. There's a time and place but some things you should keep to yourself. It's a mix of both but one or the other is not the answer.

Sorry, I am not sure I understand.

Are you saying that "illogical and dishonest" answers are ok?

I think I'm out of here.