Same Red Scripts for CULINARIAN!!

[Laurell]

I only had GSM at 60 for the first week of turn ins (so pre buff) and the "cheapest" day would have cost me 2 million + gil worth of materials IF I farmed them myself - who cares that you are making a "useful" item you could have sold - of course it is going to be useful its food. How much would it cost you if it was Deep Fried Okeanis? Yeah, that's what I thought - either level other jobs for options or wait until it is a ridiculously cheap / easy recipe (let's not forget Marron Glace, the most lol worthy blue scrip turn in also happens to be CUL, shocker.).

I don't get your point. No one cares about first week turn ins, everything is pretty available now, and Deep Fried Okeanis would be a roughly 1.5 million loss versus selling them if I bought all the mats. Also Blue Scrips are basically useless, outside of buying the Master books which are bought once, so it doesn't really matter which is cheapest

[Ayerinn]

*SNIP*

Point is Deep Fried Okeanis is ridiculously cheap and easy to make. It gives 9 scrips so worst case 50 to cap. My GSM has an Aurum Regis Staff and I get 36 for that, so rounding up I need 13 of them to cap (worst case.)
50 Okeanis =150 okeanis tail 50 highland flour 50 olive oil 50 dalamud popoto 50 Abalathian Rock salt 300 fire / 250 water crytals= ~ 455k MB prices
13 Aurum Regis Staff = 26 Aurum Nuggets 26 Adamantite Nuggets 13 birch lumber 26 carnelian 13 wing glue 26 wind / 13 fire clusters = 1.015 mil MB prices
It costs half as much to buy the same number of scrips with CUL vs GSM in this case - btw those materials used in the "useless staff" is worth millions making different items, so yeah that is not an argument to be made.

[Laurell]

*SNIP*

You picked one of the most expensive items to cap out on and honestly that would be better served in another thread deploring the inequities of Red Scrip costs across the various crafting professions. Seems we've digressed into the underlying issue of certain crafts being highly palatable to cap out on vs. others; which lends credence to the fact that capping out on CUL is a waste of time/money. Even if you're spending 500k+ more making Aurum Staffs you've also gained the opportunity to craft 30+ other HQ items to sell in the same amount of time you would have still been sitting there on your arse crafting Oke. dishes.

And that is somehow different from every other profession...how?

Let's not just point out the fact that CUL is the only one that benefits having all their items being gatherable, meaning it only takes a single time investment in something you already should have completed.

To do scripts on every other class requires maxing another class or an actual physical cost in gil.

The current system disproportionately burdens people who picked CUL as their first 60, versus say someone who picked CRP or ALC, as they are investing extra time that would be better spent doing other things. As per Aye's example, pertaining to our server, Aur. Reg. Staffs would cost 350k more to make than Oke Dishes yet 30+ less crafts to make. If all you did was make Darksteel nuggets in that same amount of time you could have recouped your loses almost completely.

Mind you I don't agree a salad should give the same scrips as a Noble Gold but there does need to be an adjustment here somewhere.

[Hanmerreborn]

You picked one of the most expensive items to cap out on and honestly that would be better served in another thread deploring the inequities of Red Scrip costs across the various crafting professions. Seems we've digressed into the underlying issue of certain crafts being highly palatable to cap out on vs. others; which lends credence to the fact that capping out on CUL is a waste of time/money. Even if you're spending 500k+ more making Aurum Staffs you've also gained the opportunity to craft 30+ other HQ items to sell in the same amount of time you would have still been sitting there on your arse crafting Oke. dishes.



The current system disproportionately burdens people who picked CUL as their first 60, versus say someone who picked CRP or ALC, as they are investing extra time that would be better spent doing other things. As per Aye's example, pertaining to our server, Aur. Reg. Staffs would cost 350k more to make than Oke Dishes yet 30+ less crafts to make. If all you did was make Darksteel nuggets in that same amount of time you could have recouped your loses almost completely.

Mind you I don't agree a salad should give the same scrips as a Noble Gold but there does need to be an adjustment here somewhere.

No it really doesn't. The fact that you think it does shows that you haven't looked at the other script turn ins. CUL is rewarded more than every other craft. At least now it's slightly balanced.

Not really. Say I'm trying to do my weaver turn in, the coif of aiming.

I need 2 felt, which requires 2 natron, for a total of 4 crafting actions

Crystal glass, which requires another natron, so 2 crafts.

Grade 1 dex dissolvent, 1 craft

Amp leather, 1 craft

Regis nugget, 1 craft.

So to make it requires 10 actions, for around 50 scripts. To hit cap requires 90 crafting actions.

CUL on the other hand requires 45 10 script turn ins, for half the work

And I also believe you can't quick syn crystal class either...

And that's not dipping into how many and what raw items you need, compared to something like morel salad




And a morel salad without star gives around 10 scrips last I checked, or 45 crafts total. Before the change, something like the coif would only give somewhere around 19. It was very very cost/mateiral inefficent compared to morel salad before the change was implemented.

[Laurell]

No it really doesn't. The fact that you think it does shows that you haven't looked at the other script turn ins.

Didn't you reply to me earlier after I mentioned making Birch Rods to cap on the cheap? I'm aware of the cost vs. gain here as it has been my whole argument. Also after looking at your lodestone your "list of actions/crafts you needed" could be reduced mainly to "clicking buy" on the MB.

[Hanmerreborn]

Didn't you reply to me earlier after I mentioned making Birch Rods to cap on the cheap? I'm aware of the cost vs. gain here as it has been my whole argument. Also after looking at your lodestone your "list of actions/crafts you needed" could be reduced mainly to "clicking buy" on the MB.

Birch Rods:

1 Nugget - 1 craft

2 star sapphire - 2 crafts

1 leather - 1 craft

2 birch lumber - 2 crafts

1 growth formula theta - 1 craft

Total Crafts: 7

To be equivalent to morel salad in terms of crafting time (45 crafts total), they would need to yield about 75 red scripts per.

Not to mention this carpenter recipe requires you to be a master miner, master botanist, master gold smith, master leatherworker, and master alchemist. WHILE CUL ONLY NEEDS CUL AND BOT.

And you're not "capping on the cheap" if you're buying everything on the damn mb.

It's simple math. The fact that you're failing at it shows how little your arguments actually mean.

Culinarian requires the least amount of effort to gather scripts of all classes.

They require the least amount of material investment (35 items (rod) vs 11 (salad) )
They require the least amount of crafting time (45 crafts vs 90 for weaver hat)
They require the least amount of leveling/gil investment (only need botany and Cul 60 vs multiple 60 classes)

It's math. You're failing at math.

[Laurell]

And you're not "capping on the cheap" if you're buying everything on the damn mb.

I spent 150k less capping on Birch Rods than I would have on Deep Fried Oke. Tails... And don't talk to me about "buying everything on the damn mb" when you yourself are not even close to self sufficient in your crafting levels.

It's math. You're failing at math.

I must be?

[Sevyrr]

*snip* they would need to yield about 75 red scripts per.
*snip*
It's math. You're failing at math.

I just find it amusing that, for someone making a personal judgement on another person's reasoned arguments (albeit with a very well-reasoned post), you would be so humourously blind to your own failings at reading and re-writing a simple five-letter word (or six, if you want to use the plural).
We collect scrips, and not scripts.

It's simple math. The fact that you're failing at it shows how little your arguments actually mean.

Oh, the enjoyment I get at seeing something so detrimental from someone guilty of a (within the situation where your language skills are unequivocally wrong, as opposed to the other's mathematical skills being situationally wrong) far greater sin.
Thank you for the late night hilarity. /doffcap

[Ayerinn]

You picked one of the most expensive items to cap out on and honestly that would be better served in another thread deploring the inequities of Red Scrip costs across the various crafting professions.

And what if I was only GSM and CUL? Those were my actual options yesterday...sigh, lol.

We shall agree to disagree - maybe they should just put in an npc you can spend 30 seconds picking up and turning in a weekly quest that gives you your weekly allotment of red scrips, sound good? Red scrip allotments are determined by the ingredients that go into recipe, both quantity and the level of the item - if you can't see that there IS a method to the madness then I can't help you. It has nothing to do with "value" as that is determined by the marketplace - either live with it or level a new job. Excuse me while I go make 11 Noble Codex to cap out using ALC... I don't like red scrips but I deal with it.

[Laurell]

And what if I was only GSM and CUL? Those were my actual options yesterday...sigh, lol.

According to your Lodestone you have 60 in every craft so I can't understand how those were your options.

We shall agree to disagree - maybe they should just put in an npc you can spend 30 seconds picking up and turning in a weekly quest that gives you your weekly allotment of red scrips, sound good?

Well that was rather gauche and extraneous considering I never advocated for culinary scrips to be equal or superfluously easy to acquire.

Red scrip allotments are determined by the ingredients that go into recipe, both quantity and the level of the item - if you can't see that there IS a method to the madness then I can't help you. It has nothing to do with "value" as that is determined by the marketplace - either live with it or level a new job.

I'm sorry but the current system disproportionately favors certain crafts above others and I personally see little to no methodology to the madness. I agree that pre-patch things were eschewed towards Culinarian but considering that specific issue has been rectified I believe they need to re-examine everything as a whole. For instance why does Clam Chowder yield the same amount of scrips as Morel Salad? Personally I think they could add a 1star item to the culinary list, like say something such as Urchin Loaf, and have it give 24 scrips.

Excuse me while I go make 11 Noble Codex to cap out using ALC... I don't like red scrips but I deal with it.

Noble Gold is very easy to deal with though.