This is the end.

[Jerichai]

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And the fact remains. Duty roulette is a convenience with a reasonable trade off. If you cannot tolerate the potential of being teamed with 'lesser' players, or lack the patience to try to help those players in a respectful way, random parties through roulette are not designed with you in mind. Take the time to form your own parties with the people you deem worthy. Everyone wins in the end.

[RiceisNice]

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The same could also be said on the other end; don't use duty finder or random parties if you can't tolerate the idea of being (over) criticized for your playstyle, especially if you're going to retaliate negatively about it. The matter of fact is, duty finder isn't designed for me, but it's not designed for you either, or honestly any particular group of people. It is, quite literally, a tool used to get a quick group together for content. That's what an online game encompasses, you're going to run into a variety of people. And honestly, considering how hostile the OP has gotten toward some of the replies, it's not entirely out of the question that there's more to what we're seeing from his side of the story.

Everyone in the party is expected to perform their role because that's how the game is designed. If the healer isn't healing, people will die. If the tank isn't tanking, adds get loose and people start dying. If DPS isn't doing their job, things die slowly and dips into the tanks and healer's performance. That's why you have a vote kick feature to deal with people who can't perform their role up to snuff or get rid of unsavory characters (granted there outliers who abuses this, but you can GM report it anyway).

[Jerichai]

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Here's the problem with your attempt to turn that around on me. I'm asking people to exercise basic decency and respect to make use of the feature. You're asking that people should be willing to potentially put up with bullying and harassment, no matter how good the advice attached to it is. Kind of hard not to see which is the more reasonable option. Not to mention, there's a wide array of reasons why someone may not be performing adequately (to you standards), and most are not from a willful desire to drag the party down. A lot of it can come down to people not knowing what they don't know. Like the situation I can gather from the OP's statement, they may think what they're doing is beneficial to the group even if it ultimately isn't. That's not an attitude rooted in a selfish desire to screw over people.

The only expectations you can have for a completely random roulette party are the entry requirements for the instance, the rules set by SE (such as no botting), and the roles each player is assigned upon entry (tank, healer, or dps). So yes, it is reasonable to kick a healer who refuses to cast any heals, or a tank who doesn't pick up NPCs, or a damage dealer who's literally doing nothing or almost nothing to help the team. But un-optimized DPS does not mean that player is not fulfilling the role as a damage dealer. And in this situation we're not talking about someone who steadfast refused to participate. We're talking about a bard who's DPS dropped because they used ballad at an inopportune time. Sorry if I don't see that as a crisis that merits the response it got.

At the end of the day, if you see someone doing something you know is wrong, stop assuming they're always doing it out of laziness or a desire the ruin your day. They may just not understand what the right approach is. Just because something is obvious to you doesn't mean it will be to them...and it's very likely there are some concepts that come easy to them that may confuse you. That's the reality of having more information/knowledge in the world than any one person can hope to even come close to understanding. Instead of flying off the handle, take a moment to respectfully point out the flaw and how they might improve. I might also suggest handling it through a whisper, because a lot of people can feel like they're being called out/blamed when these comments come up in party chat. I will concede that you will find some people who do not care about improving. But in over a decade of playing MMOs, I've found that the vast majority are more than happy to take your advice when it's given in a helpful, respectful manner.

[RiceisNice]

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I'm speaking mostly in context of this topic, not in general. In which case, it's not that he's using ballad in an inopportune time, but he is essentially saying "I do what I want", which shows very little regard to his fellow party members. Whether or not they were aggressive against him for using ballad incorrectly (which in itself can be an overexaggeration on his part, because again he has gotten pretty hostile on comments made against him in this very topic) they told him that it was not beneficial; he backlashed poorly, and it eventually got to the point where he got kicked (which would need some fill ins, because this would have had to have gone on for longer than 5 minutes, and OP mentions that he'd stop saying anything, at this point there's a complete cut of communication.)

Speaking in general, there are players who genuinely do not know how to play their class, and some can be receptive of criticism regardless of how it's presented. However, I do not see this being the case on OP's situation. I don't automatically assume they're doing it out of malice, but what they say in response is what's really important (which again, OP responded with "dont tell others how to play" which can give of negative vibes depending on the circumstances) I'm not saying to accept bullying or harassment, but honestly, this is an online environment and you need a thick skin and they should expect to run into those sort of players as much as you are telling me to expect people who are not performing to my standards (which again, you have to be doing something incredibly off like not comboing or spamming a DoT in place of weapon skills/spells)

[AdamFyi]

Here's the problem with your attempt to turn that around on me.

You're taking things out of context. What was mentioned was only a possible scenario. We only have one side of the story, so nobody other than the three other people and the OP know what actually transpired. The person you're quoting was only pointing out inconsistencies with the OP's story. Namely the whole;

See i have a DRK and i know that when you have Darkside up you don't get the effects of Mage's bailed, but what about when its off. Then Mage's bailed does work. So i tell the Bard maybe she should consider not telling people how to play there jobs.

Could the OP have told the Bard in a more constructive way? Absolutely. Did he actually do it? By the looks of the post - likely not. The Bard probably found that rude, so they ended up vote kicking him. The way I see it, there is insufficient information to go on. So I and some others probably would have some doubts to the OP's story.

By no means was the person you're quoting trying to promote harassment. Plus, expecting players to at least play decently isn't so much to ask. Healers heal the tank, Tanks hold aggro, and the Damage Dealers deal damage.

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Gotta love those terrible trolls who completely implode on themselves.

And, please, don't flame bait other users. You're acting like a troll yourself.

[Jerichai]

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I am not taking anything out of context. Rice implied that having to put up with possible bullying and harassment is a higher requirement to using roulette. I simply do not agree that is the case, especially when showing common decency and respect towards your fellow players is largely not hard and built on common sense. I so often see people complain about duty roulette being ruined by 'unskilled players'...and yet rarely do they attempt to help improve the situation with constructive, helpful feedback. As I said before, my experience has shown that the vast majority are willing to take advice when it's not constructed in such a manor as to try and make them feel worthless or bad.

I do find it interesting that so many people are harping on the fact that the OP told the other Bard to not tell him how to play his job, but almost nothing with regards that the other Bard labeled them as 'worthless' simply for using ballad at an inopportune time. I don't know about you, but while both Bards' behaviors are far from pristine, I'd say mitigating someone's self worth over a video game is far more problematic and probably instigated the OP's reaction. Yes, we only have his word, but if we're going to build opinions based on his post, it's only fair to include the possibility that what the OP said is fully, or at least partly, the truth. Maybe it's not, but I personally have no reason to believe that there aren't at least some threads of validity in his comments.

But let's also consider another side of what potentially is happening. Yes, the OP is probably not playing optimally (welcome to the vast majority of people in expert roulette...only most of the time their mistakes aren't as obvious). How does labeling them worthless actually help the situation? How does trying to put down any team mate ever actually help? Because I've personally never seen it in any game. The more likely scenario, that person, or the group, will perform worse because everything has become too heated to focus well. Also, did anyone try to explain why what the OP was doing wrong. Such information could have helped them understand the criticism. Things like why the healer and DRK probably don't require the added regen effect of ballad...or how Foe's would be a bigger DPS boost for the healer. Again, going back to my previous statement, I find that the people who yell and scream at the lesser skilled players just want to do that; yell and scream but not actually try and improve things. And it frustrates me, because roulettes can provide a valuable 'in the field' learning experience if they let it be.

Call me a troll if you want, but I'm always going to call out those who act like an ass towards others for the sake of acting like an ass.