This is the end.

[RiceisNice]

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Attack him in what degree? People tend to hyperbole things in reaction to make it seem more than it really is. All we get was "I'm being crucified" It could've been a simple "why do you have ballad up" or "why the heck do you have ballad up". For all we know, it could've been the former. The problem is his reaction to it as well; Mind you, they even went further to why ballad was not needed and how it was hurting his dps, and most we got was.

So i tell the Bard maybe she should consider not telling people how to play there jobs. Please read Part 2.

And as a bard main, this is incredibly frustrating to me when you're trying to sing ballad to boost healer dps...when you specifically have another song that does just that without lowering your damage.

And yet, Ironically, you are not only doing the same thing, but you are also reinforcing the kind of nonsense that happens in dungeons as described by the OP.

Who are you to decide or judge whether another player is doing things the best way, or playing to their max. Even if they aren't who are you to tell them so? Is it your role to sit in judgement of others? Honestly, unless it's end-game or a raid, what does it matter? Offer constructive advice in a positive manner if you must. But critiquing someone's play is just asking for trouble.

I wish more people could realize that it's not their place to judge, and they are not the be all and end all of what constitutes a high playing standard.

I'm not reinforcing or even encouraging people to wrongfully kick or harass people that are (un)intentionally playing inefficently. Infact, I didn't even mention the former. The thing is, we have such a limited perspective but everyone seems convinced otherwise that there is nothing at fault with OP, or if he was even wrongfully kicked at all.

The fact he stopped talking and eventually got kicked leads me to believe that he did not pay any attention to the party or their suggestion (solicited or not) and still kept ballad up anyway throughout the fight.

My point is, everyone should have at least some degree of performance in a party. I'm not even asking for savage-tier dps, but to grasp a basic understanding of your class and abilties. If they don't, then people are either going to point it out, and what you do with that regardless of how it's presented is up to you. You could keep that healer in your party who just refuses to turn off cleric stance and still doesn't contribute to any dps, or vote kick them because it's becoming a burden to the party. You could have a warrior tank that repeatedly dies to every trash pull because he can't stay alive in deliverance.

[Kosmos992k]

Says the person that feels they can play how they want regardless of how it affects the party.

And yet, Ironically, you are not only doing the same thing, but you are also reinforcing the kind of nonsense that happens in dungeons as described by the OP.

Who are you to decide or judge whether another player is doing things the best way, or playing to their max. Even if they aren't who are you to tell them so? Is it your role to sit in judgement of others? Honestly, unless it's end-game or a raid, what does it matter? Offer constructive advice in a positive manner if you must. But critiquing someone's play is just asking for trouble.

I wish more people could realize that it's not their place to judge, and they are not the be all and end all of what constitutes a high playing standard.

[Adire]

Who are you to decide or judge whether another player is doing things the best way, or playing to their max. Even if they aren't who are you to tell them so?

Playing a ballad that lowers your dps when the healer isn't even aching for MP for their dps is not doing things the best way. That's just all there is to it really.

And when someone is knowingly causing problems for the group and continuing to do so, refusing not to, people have a right to speak up though it should be done civilly. There are 3 other people in the group, one person causing the others issues and being unmoving is grounds for the three people to voice concerns.

Judging by the OP going on for a bit without saying anything, but drama being brought up anew, it sounds like he was continuing to play ballad even after the others making it clear they didn't want him to. And it wasn't benefiting the group.

[Boosti]

The DRK was not managing his MP in any way shape or form. Thats a reason to turn it on. The healer was low on mp or about half way theres another reason. I have screens on my ps4 of what they said. Also i see this happen all the time to others when somebody could just be like " hey did you know you do less dps with and songs up. Just letting you know" but no they have to say your worthless. When all your doing is trying to help. Its a bards job to help that party in resource management. Witch is what i was doing. Its uncalled for to be torn apart by players. I see this stuff everyday. People being kicked for reasons that are uncalled for. And im sick of it. If i wanted to be shit on every second playing an mmo i would go play wow or TERA. But i dont because FFXIV did not have these types of players back at the start. Now there all over the place. Im just going to take it upon my self to NOT do DF anymore. Ill ask my FC to run dungeons and their wont be problems.

[Phydeaux]

So you mage's bailed out?

[Miste]

Attack him in what degree? People tend to hyperbole things in reaction to make it seem more than it really is. All we get was "I'm being crucified" It could've been a simple "why do you have ballad up" or "why the heck do you have ballad up". For all we know, it could've been the former. The problem is his reaction to it as well; Mind you, they even went further to why ballad was not needed and how it was hurting his dps, and most we got was.


And as a bard main, this is incredibly frustrating to me when you're trying to sing ballad to boost healer dps...when you specifically have another song that does just that without lowering your damage.

Like I said in my post I didn't say that is definitely how things went down. All I was pointing out was another possibility and that you really can't just assume someone is doing this "play how they want regardless of how it affects the party." Just because you know that Foe is better than Ballad for helping healers DPS doesn't mean everyone does. Also its possible some people don't share your opinion even though it is based in good fact.

Just reminding that people have to remember not everyone knows everything about this game or how things work. People will never know what others want unless they let them know. Also helping others by letting them know what is good goes way farther than yelling at them, name calling, shaming, kicking them out of groups etc.

Considering how defensive OP is getting even in his own topic likely he was not innocent and fueled the dispute in which he got kicked though. But my posts are more in general and the fact it does happen that players just immediately rage instead of talking to the other player calmly first and ask questions or make suggestions.

[Boosti]

to RiceisNice

I turned bailed off when they first got on me about it. And its people like you that expect way to much out of people. Im 100% sure that your one of those asshole players that would have kicked somebody for no reason other then being a self centered egotistical toxic human and expect perfection out of everybody. Hate to tell you the truth but not everybody is perfect like you.

[Boosti]

So you mage's bailed out?

yes it was turned off right after i got the first comment saying "theres no point in having mages bailed on you obviously have no idea how a drk works." When yes i do know how a DRK works.

[Adire]

to RiceisNice

I turned bailed off when they first got on me about it. And its people like you that expect way to much out of people. Im 100% sure that your one of those asshole players that would have kicked somebody for no reason other then being a self centered egotistical toxic human and expect perfection out of everybody. Hate to tell you the truth but not everybody is perfect like you.

Please try to remember, RiceisNice was not in your group. RiceisNice has also been quite civil in their responses. There's no need to be so personally insulting of them so quickly when they've done nothing wrong to you personally, only merely questioned your choices and observed what was mentioned by you.

They even admitted they may not understand what went down completely. You aren't helping your case against toxic players by being so toxic yourself. There's nothing wrong with a little explanation on why your choice was wrong.

How can you improve and be more of a benefit to your group if you never know or admit mistakes?

[Elazu]

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