If Paladin is "specialized in defense" shouldn't its defense be better always?

[Nomad-phx]

What I'm reading is "if your a pld just unsubscribe because the more we talk you down on the forums the more groups will refuse to use you." Am I wrong or not? Cause that's how all the anti-pld propaganda feels to me anymore

[Isius]

Personally I would just like to see some small changes here and there for Pld. One either by giving Pld a small dps boast especially in aoe, or the other to actually make it the qoute in qoute better tank in defense, so there is more leeway for healers to contribute to dps. But things that do need to change imo is making Clemency/Stoneskin a 2.5sec cast time, making it where Divine Veil cast shielding on allies without the need of a heal, and make Shield Swipe a actual useful skill again.

[Ercapote]

What I'm reading is "if your a pld just unsubscribe because the more we talk you down on the forums the more groups will refuse to use you." Am I wrong or not? Cause that's how all the anti-pld propaganda feels to me anymore

You kinda need to understand how communities work, we are not trying to bash a class so people hate it, we are speaking openly to the community for the devs to get the feedback, they just not sit there and start looking at every class they look for the community feedback to fix what we all think it's wrong it's not about ANTI-JOB propaganda is about FEEDBACK or do u thin WAR 2.0 got the incredible 2.1 buff because we all loved that class?

[Nomad-phx]

Well you can call it feedback or whatever you'd like. The ppl actually playing the game see these kinds of threads and stereotypes are born. I already stopped queing for Alex normal from seeing "BOOOO pld" every time and its happening more and more in expert roulette now.

[NFaelivrin]

What I'm reading is "if your a pld just unsubscribe because the more we talk you down on the forums the more groups will refuse to use you." Am I wrong or not? Cause that's how all the anti-pld propaganda feels to me anymore

The majority of the people pointing out that Paladin doesn't fit the current tank meta for high-end raids are people who play Paladin.

[Anger]

The majority of the people pointing out that Paladin doesn't fit the current tank meta for high-end raids are people who play Paladin.

Even the ones in game that only want DRK and WAR in their statics? Or the duty finder groups that get upset when a PLD is what they got "stuck with"?

[HoodRat]

Even the ones in game that only want DRK and WAR in their statics? Or the duty finder groups that get upset when a PLD is what they got "stuck with"?

They don't have time to be upset with getting paladins because they keep getting stuck with double astrologian.

[Isius]

Well you can call it feedback or whatever you'd like. The ppl actually playing the game see these kinds of threads and stereotypes are born. I already stopped queing for Alex normal from seeing "BOOOO pld" every time and its happening more and more in expert roulette now.

I mainly play pld myself, and I haven't ran into this yet, but I have not done expert since 3 weeks in HW, but I still do Alex, and I really do everything I can to push my own dps, and mitigation as a tank that I can atm. But yeah, I had a friend last night that got made fun of because of their low dps as a pld. It really is mmo meta as a whole, more dps is always thought of as better, and with alex savage out it just stresses this idea even more so with it's strict dps checks. So now people are always comparing eachother, and why plds are pushing this issue dps/best def tank issue. I can careless I have a rng shield to increase mitigation when it's unpredictable, and only blocks physical attacks, Rng mitigation DOESN'T make one tank better then another when the REAL DMG YOU NEED TO MITIGATE COMES. Hallowed Ground is great and is the best def cd in game, but also has a 7min cd makes it one of the worst, so 10secs of no dmg for 1 raid run. I rather it be replaced by a weak % mitigation move on a short cd. But yeah, either plds need a slight dps upgrade or a increase in def to really make it matter so other party members can do the dps for us, when we can't.

[Ercapote]

The majority of the people pointing out that Paladin doesn't fit the current tank meta for high-end raids are people who play Paladin.

specially pally that have been rejected from raids groups because the community think is not strong enough right? yeah...

[HoodRat]

But yeah, I had a friend last night that got made fun of because of their low dps as a pld.

Leave Valkyrie-Amber out of this. But seriously though, there's a big difference between having low dps because the class sucks and having low dps because the player sucks.