Lazy players in dungeons.

[HyperiusUltima]

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Well, in layman's terms, you can't FORCE them to play your way. If they don't want to use BOTD? Wait until they attempt a DPS check like Bismarck and watch them cry. Even if they weren't hiding it, just complete the dungeon. It makes you almost sound elitist from what you said above imho. Either way, there was a guy who complained about Healers/Tanks leaving in the thread near this one...so "Let's try and make things better.", hm?

[Tanathya]

Well, in layman's terms, you can't FORCE them to play your way. If they don't want to use BOTD? Wait until they attempt a DPS check like Bismarck and watch them cry. Even if they weren't hiding it, just complete the dungeon. It makes you almost sound elitist from what you said above imho. Either way, there was a guy who complained about Healers/Tanks leaving in the thread near this one...so "Let's try and make things better.", hm?

I never forced them. I was threatened as well, yet somehow I'm guilty of leaving. Alright, well that was my experience again, only this time I decided to post.

Have a good one you all!

[fm_fenrir]

Wait until they attempt a DPS check like Bismarck and watch them cry.

No, because they'll just blame everyone else in the run for being bad, ragequit, and start a PF with absurd comments like "know ur role perfectly, will rep after 1 wipe". You can't coddle lazy/bad players, because they never accept that they're the reason the group failed.

[LunaHoshino]

There's no reason not to use BotD even before you hit 60. The damage boost to Jump and SSD is nothing to sniff at, and given that it only has a one-minute cooldown, it'll come back up at multiple times during most fights. Plus it's oGCD so it's not like working it in causes you to have to adjust your rotation at all either.

[RyuDragnier]

Had a DRG similar to that one earlier in Neverreap. My god she was so bad, never used a single move from HW and refused to even use her DoTs, so the run took around 35 minutes instead of the 20-25 it should have taken. I was running BRD so while my rotation is excellent, I can't make up for that lost damage.

[LeeraSorlan]

I never forced them. I was threatened as well, yet somehow I'm guilty of leaving. Alright, well that was my experience again, only this time I decided to post.

Have a good one you all!

You come off as a bit of an over reactor tbh. Shame on those who dont give it there all, but to leave a dungeon because someone doesnt do what youwant? Childish.
He insulted you, you said, but you said his laziness was why you left, not his insults.


Think of it from the other 2 players perspective, running along doing a dungeon, beat the first boss then boom. Tank leaves, most likely that drg left too. 2 people wasted 10 minutes all because you cant deal with a less then average player.

[Seryl199]

You come off as a bit of an over reactor tbh. Shame on those who dont give it there all, but to leave a dungeon because someone doesnt do what youwant? Childish.
He insulted you, you said, but you said his laziness was why you left, not his insults.


Think of it from the other 2 players perspective, running along doing a dungeon, beat the first boss then boom. Tank leaves, most likely that drg left too. 2 people wasted 10 minutes all because you cant deal with a less then average player.

I don't think it's childish at all. When I sign up for a duty, I'm there to party with 3 other people. They expect me to fulfill a role, I expect them to do the same. I do as much as I can, healing, DPS, fixing mistakes, offering strats as necessary. Sure, I don't expect everyone to be performing at top standards, but when I see someone bottoming out on the DPS charts while playing one of the highest potential DPS classes in the game, it really puts a damper on how much myself and others have done to keep the run moving.

I hate leaving runs, as I'm always thinking of the ones I left behind, whether they will get a replacement or have to wait in the queue again, or if they won't even have time for another run today because they have to log off soon. But some days we just don't feel as compassionate, maybe you already dealt with a run of idiots in the DF, or idiots at work, or whatever reason put you in a bad mood. If a DPS is called out for being so sub-par that it needs to be called out, I'd want something done about it. If they don't shape up or get kicked, I'd rather leave and hope to join a group that appreciates my efforts by at least offering some effort of their own.

Imagine a healer that uses no Protect, no pre-battle buffs, doesn't do any DPS, spends most of their time idle, and only heals the tank when they're below 20% HP, where a simple mistake or missed AoE could kill them. Sounds a bit lazy, right? Downright lazy, and endangering the party. In no way would I want a healer like that in my party. Just like I wouldn't want an "I do what I want" DPS that performs miserably in my party. If you wouldn't want a tank that doesn't tank or a healer that doesn't heal, why would you accept a DPS that doesn't DPS?

[Tanathya]

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You still don't get it, do you. I did not leave because they were bad, but because they were lazy and had no problems admitting it. They wanted to be carried. Is it really that hard to understand? Then again, childish would have been kicking them, but, for the 1000th time, I took the penalty. That's what penalties are for.

I wasn't rude nor I made a fuss, the moment they threatened me for something I didn't do, I left. End of the story.

[karateorangutang]

I've dropped a few dungeons before too. If I've gone out of my way to explain things, to try to improve the situation and it's not improving based upon the attitude of the player. Then your darn tootin' that i'll drop that duty like a bad habit. I don't join DF to give handouts and neither should anyone else.

That's not to say that I drop when someone just meets the gear requirement or I can see that they are attempting to correct mistakes ( I actually commendate based on this), but I will not settle for somebody wasting 15 minutes extra of my time because they are tired, or hungry, or they already raided, etc.

[Tanathya]

He insulted you, you said, but you said his laziness was why you left

I never said they insulted me, but that I felt insulted when they linked an Alexander Savage item to excuse their will to be carried through the run.

I'm someone who gives it all no matter what, I expect some sort or commitment back, not someone who's all like "I don't feel like doing it". You may like it or not, but whoever defends that behaviour speaks out loud for them, and I'm hoping I never, ever come across you if you're that kind of player.

P.S. Can't edit on my phone, so 2 diff posts.