Ninja bad or ok?

[Eecka]

Lets be real here they're far from perfect but yes they're wanted becasue of trick attack. Non of the fights are that punishing at least A1-A3 that ninja outshines either of the other melee's its all about trick attack

You make it sound like it's a bad thing, that trick attack is a deal-maker. "Well, yeah, people want a Ninja, but only because they have a really good skill!"

[Pluvia]

You make it sound like it's a bad thing, that trick attack is a deal-maker. "Well, yeah, people want a Ninja, but only because they have a really good skill!"

Does not mean ninja is perfect they've got plenty of QoL issues that need fixed Never said trick attack was bad nor does that mean ninja is bad.
overall getting sick of these stupid threads we've had about 3 of them since the start of HW now go ask in the actual ninja thread next time instead of starting a thread

[Fellesarah]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

[Pluvia]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

Come on its not that bad They're ahead sure but not by 200 dps unless your seeing parses I've yet to see.

[Mystina]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

on faust maybe since drgs and monks hit more than 1 mob in their rotations >.> but im usualy 50-100 dps from then and we are a pure ST dps ;p

[Arow22]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

100% agree, SE gave ninja the Argo buff cause of their role in being top in dps. To me those skills scream "This is a high damage job". But then didn't deliver on it, what a waste. I love the class just, but some simple tweaks need to be made.

[JubjubTubs]

100% agree, SE gave ninja the Argo buff cause of their role in being top in dps. To me those skills scream "This is a high damage job". But then didn't deliver on it, what a waste. I love the class just, but some simple tweaks need to be made.

Why don't you just flat out say and admit that You Want nin to be the highest dps. Why are people trying to be 'politically correct' on a video game forum. People should just openly say what the f' they want... would end so many 'BS' discussions faster.

And no... nin is fine. Why can't people wrap their around the notion that their TA debuff adds to their DPS curve indirectly. Don't have that debuff w/o a nin... it is solely nin, it adds to a pty's total dps output. Therefor it counts towards a nin's dps curve.

[Pluvia]

Why don't you just flat out say and admit that You Want nin to be the highest dps. Why are people trying to be 'politically correct' on a video game forum. People should just openly say what the f' they want... would end so many 'BS' discussions faster.

And no... nin is fine. Why can't people wrap their around the notion that their TA debuff adds to their DPS curve indirectly. Don't have that debuff w/o a nin... it is solely nin, it adds to a pty's total dps output. Therefor it counts towards a nin's dps curve.

True but is also about equal to the dps a dragoon brings to the raid from utility. No that does not mean buff ninja or nerf dragoons just let this thread die like the others

[Arow22]

Why don't you just flat out say and admit that You Want nin to be the highest dps.

Think I was trying to point out the intent of SE vs just say they need to be the highest. Why give Argo skill moves if they are not needed. To me, this is clear why they did this to help mitigate the high damage with pulling hate off tanks. All I'm saying, make the move relvent or help with other nin needs.

SE can change those Argo skills to other aoe or other skills to help in other areas if indeed they are more of a supportive role. Like maybe double a magic cast or simple add another aoe move. I don't see SE changing skills so leads to one thing.

Think any ninja would trade those Argo skills with a monk or drgn for some of theirs aoe skills in return for not being top DPS.