NIN or BLM?

[Geardagas]

Evening all,

I'm a bard main, and i got AST to endgame, but recent events reminded my why i despise healing.

So I need a new alt to compliment my bard, and i've narrowed it down to BLM or NIN. I was looking for feedback from people who have hit endgame with them.

The way I currently see the two is like this:

BLM:
Pros:
- High DPS
- Fun

Cons:
- Everyone complains about enochian (but everyone complains about minuet, too, which is nothing to complain about)
- I would have two ranged, cast-time DPS (although one is more mobile and support-ish)

NIN:
Pros:
- Fun and fast-paced
- Already own half the gear
- One ranged dps and one melee dps provides variety

Cons:
-Everyone complains about mudra lag, low dps, running out of TP
-Rotation seems complicated and not in a good way

Which would you suggest?

[ChalupaBatman]

nin rotation isn't complicated once you get used to mudra combinations, the only downside of nin atm is its TP, mudra lag and weak AoE.

I switched to nin from BRD since our old nin wanted to play MCH.

my main complaint is mudras for sure, AC doesnt fix the issue like it was suppose to, sometimes even fuma cuts into the gcd but I play with a 100+ ping so you might fair better depending on your location.

[Adventica6]

Even though nins tp isn't amazing because of high skillspeed on gear / huton, I still rarely find myself running out. Almost all end game fights have constant breaks where you can regain tp so it's not as much of an issue as people will have you believe. Use invig at proper times, don't spam blossom when no breaks coming. It's honestly not that big of a deal, I play daily

mudra lag is actually an input window, where it checks your latency before the mudra input fires off, if you have bad ms it could give you the odd problem, you learn to deal with this from experience and having an above average ms. Again, it is not as large of a problem as people would have you believe, I rarely mess up a mudra and when I do I know it was my fault and it could have been prevented, it's a dummy check mechanic nothing more.

Nin isn't perfect but it's far from as bad as some of the crybabies say.
My only problem with nin is dancing edge debuff needs to last longer so we can use aeolian edge more often.

[ChalupaBatman]

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TP is definitely an issue in A2 and A3 savage, A2 savage is a 10m fight with no downtime and A3 savage last phase is a 7m burn.

[Adventica6]

I'm a 191 nin and these are my experiences, good luck.

[Adventica6]

Was I talking about savage? no I wasn't, I was giving general advise, not everyone is doing a3 savage but thanks for coming by...

and that problem is easily fixed by having 2 nins goad eachother instead of just 1 nin, and I'm pretty sure you already knew that but felt like posting anyways.

[HairyRoger]

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Ridiculous reply. If you want to see how viable something is, you look at the realistic potential you have. If you want to look at it that way you can take any balance discussion and say "not everyone does savage". Let's face it, outside of current top content, slightly less dps, a little bit of lag or TP starvation is less important. Add that to the fact that most non savage content lasts for 3 minutes and gives no time to actually run out of TP in the first place. Bringing 2 ninjas is not a viable option where TP actually does matter, and I'm pretty sure you already knew that.

To the OP, nin is good enough for whatever you want to do. Player matters more than job in practice. Get used to the rotation and the mudra lag and you will be fine. As for ranged dps, we have little to none. Mudras are nice, but outside of that you will run dry on tp quickly.

[Geardagas]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I just got on during peak hours and went to idyll shire and banged out some mudras.

In ten tries, I landed between 2.45 and 2.5 seconds from the first mudra to the huton cast. I'm assuming this is a bit tight. There seems to be an odd delay between when the next mudra is ready and when the mudra animation starts. When I tried to ignore that delay and speed it up, I rabbited all over the place.

BLM it is, I guess.

[Inosaska]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I just got on during peak hours and went to idyll shire and banged out some mudras.

In ten tries, I landed between 2.45 and 2.5 seconds from the first mudra to the huton cast. I'm assuming this is a bit tight. There seems to be an odd delay between when the next mudra is ready and when the mudra animation starts. When I tried to ignore that delay and speed it up, I rabbited all over the place.

BLM it is, I guess.

I end up clipping my mudra animations most of the time because of the lag but then again I've played for years with lag and know the timing pretty well to be able to play nin so well. I'm just leveling it up now. I've watched some videos of BLM and this seems a bit complicated. I played BLM before but I sucked at it. I still do maybe its because I played smn for so long that I'm just so used to it that its difficult to get into BLM mainly the reason I went towards ninja because its not that hard. I also heard BLM have to change there rotations often and on the fly with little room for error and that kind of makes me not want to play the job because of that. You can try out BLM and see if you like it some feedback on it would be great!

[MrCookTM]

Was I talking about savage? no I wasn't, I was giving general advise, not everyone is doing a3 savage but thanks for coming by...

and that problem is easily fixed by having 2 nins goad eachother instead of just 1 nin, and I'm pretty sure you already knew that but felt like posting anyways.

The hardest content is the content jobs are balanced for, because it's the only content where it really matters. And no, 2 Nin's is not a good option, since you are sacrificing the utility another job would bring to the raid. It's almost ridiculous to even suggest this, we should be thankful the double Mnk days for progression are over.