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  1. #21
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    Urthdigger's Avatar
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    Eyriwaen Zirhmusyn
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    To be fair about the crafting example, it's implied a lot of time passes over the duration of a questline... and if we go by strict examples of in-game time, it actually takes us a LOT of time to do stuff, considering every hour spent is about a day in-game. Especially if you count time logged out.
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    I still can't get over Gaius' words in Pretorium. How the Twelve are no diffrent from the Primals, how The Allience members can't save their own skins let alone the entier relm, and how ultimatly even thr Scions seem to be using us mearly as a sword to be wielded instead of the sentient beings we are.

    The Dark Knight Quest only sends these thoughts home as it is shown we truely don't apreciate being used as a weapon but simply allow it due to our nature and role as Hydaelyn's Champion, the Warrior of Light.

    I hope Gaius made it out of The Preatorium Alive as bad as Fenral wants to Get G'raha out of The Crystal Tower. Because I'll always believe that under diffrent circumstances Gaius could have been an ally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    We aren't primals cause it's easy to detect a primal.
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
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    I like when people act like everything happened in a really short amount of time, when really even in the in-game time, things are much longer than real time.
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    Player Kaiser-Ace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zari View Post
    I like when people act like everything happened in a really short amount of time, when really even in the in-game time, things are much longer than real time.
    We've done the count before, from our arival in Eorzea to our victory at Azys Lla is at most 9 months. We havn't even been WoL for a full year yet thanks to that pesky time bubble.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Well, as long as I got you to gush about Dark Knight, again, it's all good.

    ...

    Heavensward seems like it wants to break away from that, but looks can be deceiving, and like many things, it is simply too early to tell for sure. But there's always hope...
    I think it's working its way towards self-awareness, if only in pockets and small pieces. DRK line gets very self-aware, and not only does Thordan freak out over our impossible strength but even Y'shtola seems to be questioning how what we do is even possible. We are basically hope incarnate, and despite everyone thinking that's the best thing ever it might not necessarily be... they do seem to be setting things up for a major wham episode with the Warrior(s) of Darkness coming into the picture.

    Even taking out the "if we die they might summon a Primal in our image" bit, our ridiculous power is wont to breed jealousy and fear. People want to be as strong as we are, but without the Goddess' blessing it's simply impossible, leading them to despair over their powerlessness... fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, yada yada yada. Even if they're not conscious of it.

    Now, can this be applied to G'raha? Sure it can, but that's a hard thing to do because I'm not convinced he was entirely in his right mind when he decided to pull the stunt that he did. Salina's "hope" was his ultimate despair - that he was useless save as a tool for some people who have been dead for about 5 millennia. Unfortunately, along come some Allagans (or rather clones, but close enough) who give him some blood and awaken him to his fate which is, not coincidentally, to be the tool of some people who have been dead for about 5 millennia. So goes tragedy.

    He really is (or rather was) in a similar boat to us, bound to a fate he neither wanted nor asked for on a subconscious level. Unfortunately he succumbed to despair or some kind of mental pollution from that Allagan blood after the World of Darkness, and we lost him... but what's done is done.

    Was he motivated by hope and faith, or despair and jealousy? Tough to say... but who says it wasn't both?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zari View Post
    I like when people act like everything happened in a really short amount of time, when really even in the in-game time, things are much longer than real time.
    The amount of time elapsed in story terms is indeterminate, but I estimated 2.0 to take place over 3 months, 2.x over another 3 months, and then 3.0 happens 2 weeks - 2 months later and occurs over the course of roughly 1.5 months. (That "we need to urgently go talk to Hraesvelgr to try and avert the impending attack" bit took WAAAAY [kupo]ing longer than it should have for "urgent" business. Then Nidhogg sits in the Aery until you dutifully come along to kill him.)

    Without an official timeline, there's nothing definite.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    ... as Fenral wants to Get G'raha out of The Crystal Tower...
    Oh, he's not the only one.
    (I want it more... )

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    I hope Gaius made it out of The Preatorium alive, because I'll always believe that under different circumstances Gaius could have been an ally.
    I find myself strangely agreeing with this. But for now, as far as we're aware, he's toast and we have to deal with Van Hydrus.
    (Having said that, he could very well have slipped undercover. Easily done as, far as I know, no-one in Eorzea's seen his face. Alright, as long as he keeps certain aspects of his appearence covered, like a low brimmed hat or something )
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    Last edited by Echofalls; 08-13-2015 at 10:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ymal View Post
    And this is the reason why the Leatherwork crafting story quest (1-50) is my favorite, simply because the guild master doesn't cover you in praises when you turn in your very first craft, she is the first one (and only?) that made me feel somehow like a normal crafter/person
    I see you've never met Gigi.

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    A true paladin... will sheathe his sword.

  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    lots of words
    I call it Ysayle's rule, a.k.a. "The Warrior of Light is a terrible friend." Suicidally depressed friends should absolutely be left behind, on their own, to sort out their issues without any sort of outside support. Because that's totally the best way to handle situations like that, and couldn't possibly lead them to take drastic courses of action that can never be undone.

    But yeah, it's a bit deeper than we were ever supposed to dig for that particular storyline, which is tragic only because of there are stories in FFXIV that do hold up to that level of scrutiny. Louisoix Leveilleur is best grandpa; Alisaie is precious bby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    I call it Ysayle's rule, a.k.a. "The Warrior of Light is a terrible friend." Suicidally depressed friends should absolutely be left behind, on their own, to sort out their issues without any sort of outside support. Because that's totally the best way to handle situations like that, and couldn't possibly lead them to take drastic courses of action that can never be undone.
    Though, in some cases, it would be possible to undo their stupidity and rash decision.
    We are indeed terrible people to have relationships with, all good relationships need a lot of communication on both sides, you see?
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    Summoners; the only class that are actively encouraged to constantly Ruin everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Hypocrite, double standard, blah blah blah. We're all hypocrites with double standards
    Red Mage; Everything I wanted in BLM & SMN, but with infinitely more style.

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