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  1. #1
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    Ghishlain's Avatar
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Seems you stopped reading after half a sentence I said they both have advantage and disadvantage, not one is greater than the other. I personal think HoT on Diurnal is great but the mp is very costly to use it continually as a mitigation tool and just times it's just cheaper to use helios.
    SuzakuCMX has the right idea about Diurnal being more MP efficienct, though I will admit it took me a long time to wrap the logic around my head, so I'll see if I can help out with this.

    Consider looking at a Diurnal AST and Nocturnal AST within an 18 second window (the duration length of Aspected Benefic's HoT)

    Diurnal AST
    18s @ 2.375 GCD = 7 spell casts within that time frame
    • 1 Aspected Benefic @ 190 Potency & 707 MP
    • 6 Benefics @ 2,280 Potency & 2,124 MP
    • 6 Aspected Benefic HoTs @ 600 Potency

    Total Potency: 3,070 Potency
    Total MP: 2,831 MP

    vs.

    Nocturnal AST
    18s @ 2.5 GCD = 7 spell casts within that time frame
    • 7 Benefics @ 2,793 Potency & 2,478 MP

    Total Potency: 2,793 Potency
    Total MP: 2,478 MP

    In order for Nocturnal to match this output, they'll replace one Benefic with Benefic II (+252 Potency, +442 MP), which in turn makes Nocturnal's AST total value for those 18 seconds as:

    Total Potency: 3,045 Potency
    Total MP: 2,920 MP

    So, not only does Nocturnal do slightly less potency in the same 18 seconds, they also require slightly more MP to do so.

    This is the unfortunate reality of Nocturnal.
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Snip.
    Again please read my full statement. I'm not saying Noct is better than Diurnal or the other way around. I"m simply stating both have good things and bad things about them. Noct has a nice 5% bonus but it's aspected sucks with a SCH. Diurnal has great HoT but those can consume mp faster. I've gone OOM once or twice trying to keep HoT when I should have just used Helios.
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 08-13-2015 at 03:54 AM.

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    Tenebria Miku
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    as much as i like yoshi-p those statements just seem like a bunch political nothing.

    Like the whole line about cards buffing the party as a whole so the healing has to be worse.
    Even in an ideal world the cards are a lesser buff than fey wind from scholar, where's the explanation for that?
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    as much as i like yoshi-p those statements just seem like a bunch political nothing.

    Like the whole line about cards buffing the party as a whole so the healing has to be worse.
    Even in an ideal world the cards are a lesser buff than fey wind from scholar, where's the explanation for that?
    Well base line Arrow is far greater than Fey Wind. Only difference is Fey is a guarantee buff every minute and arrow isn't. As I said in another post, the cards are too specialized and need to more generalized to actually make every card worth using.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX View Post
    They should buff both. The heals don't have to be quite equal to SCH/WHM but right now they are about 15% behind either, and that's in Diurnal. Nocturnal is even worse.
    Both have advantage and disadvantage. Noct's 5% healing buff helps to close the gap but Aspected sucks with paired with SCH. Diurnal is great HoT healing but robs you of mp fast.
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 08-12-2015 at 03:39 PM.

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    Peach Parfait
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Both have advantage and disadvantage. Noct's 5% healing buff helps to close the gap but Aspected sucks with paired with SCH. Diurnal is great HoT healing but robs you of mp fast.
    The 5% potency from Noct is far worse than the potency gain from the regens. Diurnal is far more efficient in mana than Nocturnal because of it.

    The 5% "advantage" in Noct is an illusion. Noct has no advantages over Di currently.
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    Peach Parfait/Khulan Angura on Gilgamesh

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    Shila Lail
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    After reading Yoshi's answers I feel like they didn't spent enough time planning how Astro's will fit the grand scheme of things, which kinda frustrates me. He talks about walking a fine line since AST has some overlap with SCH/WHM but that is something they decided on instead of adding a third way to heal people. They made it really hard for themselves.

    Personally I don't think they'll get around a overhaul of the card system and or how cards will interact with healing spells.
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    The specific mention of 'RNG problem' makes me really afraid they're going to just fix Shuffle and go 'welp, cards are good now'.
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    Thea Sitori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kietsu View Post
    The specific mention of 'RNG problem' makes me really afraid they're going to just fix Shuffle and go 'welp, cards are good now'.
    Oh I'm hedging a bet that Shuffle will get an adjustment. Whether a shorter cooldown or they give what most want, does not re-draw the same card. Cannot see both happening. The first solution is a safer bet.
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    Zaj Quilos
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    i've healed with another AST before and we've both done fine and don't need to communicate.
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    Shila Lail
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    To be honest I think its really unlikely of them to add any more AST changes before 3.1. It'll be repeat of how they handled warrior.
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